Raid Changes

[Zexa]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and since this is the case, you guys should have no problem moving to classical rotation, where even MORE camping is encouraged, if wanted, and eliminate all possibility of third party software being an issue for, yes hear me out, NOT JUST YOUR GUILD, but any other guild that might hit the raiding scene.
Mythoxxus

You are seriously going to keep on with the conspiracy theory that someone hacked the system and can see the exact spawn time of raid mobs? If only you had the same persistence in game.

There are only two plausible reasons for your logic on this whole raid situation. The first being that you guys are as delusional as you sound and think that knowing the exact second a raid target spawns will keep the hackers from being able to mobilize the second something spawns and gong back to the petition fest and GM intervention will benefit us all.

Or...since I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, you have come up with this clever scheme that would do exactly the above. Guild A and B would both camp a spawn with 15 people for days, and when one person from guild A goes LD, guild B would claim now they have first attempt since they have a screenshot showing guild B has 15 while guild A has 14. Both disagree. Both engage at once. Situation becomes unmanageable, and we get some worse ruleset put into play. Perhaps we'd get rotation back because we couldn't make it work?

This whole thread is very difficult for a lot of us to understand. Other than removing the magic 8-ball telling someone spawn times, you've said that it would increase times you need to camp mobs and make the system more fair for all. Why don't you spend 5 days camping these said mobs with the current system in place and while the other guilds continue to use the tracker system, you'll already have your selected mobs on lock down. It seems the other guilds favor this new system.

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool thanks.
Back to FAIREST AND MOST COMPETITIVE rotation conversation. Classical rotation has my vote.

I'm not trying to argue with you or anything, I just don't see it changing anything. Say as of tomorrow we went to a classic 7 day static spawn, whats the difference? It will just turn into a game of who can get 15 people there the earliest, and then lead to threads calling <guild> losers for having a raid ready 24 hours before the spawn.

Also technically, in order to make it 100% fair, you'd have to tell every guild exactly what time each boss is due to spawn. It would be unfair if Divinity knew the timers and In Virtue didn't.

[Arkanjil]

I think Mythoxxus should join IB....maybe then he would stop complaining and love life a little more.

Just my 2cp.

[karsten]

a number of things happened on vztz including what we're doing to you. It included a concentrated effort of harried pvp, and also a wholly incompetent staff. I was banned for example at one point for calling Gronkus' wife fat in the wedding pictures he posted. We fought back, got maybe a quarter of the spawns, not really a secret on how that all panned out. Some of the issues on this server are different than on a pvp server of course, and there was an ebb and flow of what the GMs decided was fair practice and what was not with regards to training and corpse camping and such.

Anyways, whining to GMs and trying to change the rule set is not one of the ways that we reacted.

oh, also, you wouldn't last ten minutes there brew

[Zithax]

Originally Posted by Zithax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey so like, why didn't you guys post this thread when the rotation was implemented instead of months after the variance system has been in place? Seriously. You can't answer this question legitimately so don't even try.

Just to reiterate.

[Wrei]

Is myth the only member from Trans that actually believes this? Or does all Trans member share in his deluded conspiracy theories? Since when does IB "CAMP" a boss? Having trackers track stuff is 1 thing, getting the raid force mobilized AFTER a boss spawns is an entirely different issue. At no point did IB EVER CAMP a boss like you guys did.

What do you think is more sad, having a person check for a boss every 30min? Or having an entire raid force picking their nose in front of a boss room just to show the rest of the server how "hardcore" you guys are in wanting a boss. After reading through all of this whining I am now convinced that Myth only wants a few things guys. It isn't about fair or unfair, it's about what Myth wants and needs for his guild without having to do any work.

1. Trans wants a boss popped every week by a GM just for them. If any other guild dared to touch "their" boss they would be banned 14 days then subsequently perma banned on a repeat offense.

2. Trans wants to choose what items a boss drops, seriously why bother killing the dragon 15 times to get 2 items they need? Why not kill it twice get the 2 items and be done with it.

3. Trans members lead such busy lives that a boss cannot be spawned by its own schedule, when a Trans officer petitions (a GM must be online 24/7 to answer to Trans issues) a boss of their choice (depending on class balance availability) needs to be spawned at a time of their own choosing.

4. All other needs to realize that Trans needs this, if you cannot understand this then you don't understand what CLASSIC means. Seriously stop being UNFAIR to us, Trans is a "special" guild filled with "special" people that needs "special" treatment. Get with the program or else we will keep on making 1 retarded thread after another until we make positive changes that are "FAIR TO TRANS".

5. Trans finally wants to be recognized as being a super cool friendly guild that are skilled at what they are doing. Seriously look at all the cool dragon loots they've gotten. Join team Trans now!

[Maximus]

Like i said, i have brought this issue up already with Nilbog and Aeolwind in IRC. Ever since i took over raid leadership, i have been working on this.
I have made my point and shared my feelings on the current situation, with the Pros and Cons of all aspects. Thank you for your time,
May the trolling continue.
Mythoxxus

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since when does IB "CAMP" a boss?

I'm sitting here at school in the library, reading this shit, and in between bouts of laughter - making everyone stare at me - I had time to wonder why the fuck nobody has said this.

IB hasn't "camped" a single raid mob, Maxipad.

Also, you keep confusing your words. Please do your best to differentiate between systems, clearly labeling which would benefit your crew of bitches the best. I could sit here and quote all your contradictions, but this chick's tits are literally hanging out of her blouse like 2 feet from me and I just don't give a fuck.

Hella funny tho! Please keep the QQ going, don't listen to Karsten. Pew-pew isn't needed HERE, and the QQ keeps me happy!

[Dukat]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, with this thread you are accusing IB, Divinity, Fish Bait, In Virtue, Gothic Circle, Europa, and every other guild of hacking. Not only did you accuse us of this, you linked a site for a hacking program so anyone temped to use such programs knows right where to go. Stupid idea.

I have never run a hacking program so my knowledge of them is purely secondhand. I had heard some pretty crazy accounts from users of these programs so admittedly my suspicions were very high. If Rogean is pretty sure they can't read the time on boss mobs, then I actually feel very relieved about the current system. It might not be for everyone but I for one will wake up in the middle of the night to chase a spawn. But it does favor hardcore guilds and more casual guilds will probably never see boss loot. That's fine.

And no, I haven't accused all those guilds of hacking, any more than I accuse Trans of hacking. I was stating the possibility and trying to elicit a GM response. Thank you for setting me straight Rogean.

[Pheer]

The 4 new pages of this thread since I last looked at it were A+ entertainment.

Hours later mythoxxus is still convinced we have some kind of master hackers in our guild that also practice wizardry in their spare time and thus can glean the exact spawn times of spawn variance mobs with our magic/machine hybrid pc's that are powered by evil itself.

PS. Mine also has a liquid cooling system that uses the blood of the innocent, its awesome.