Petition for permanent IP ban punishment option

[Ezalor]

Does anyone else think it's weak that someone can get caught RMTing or cheating and simply make a new account in 2 seconds and keep playing?

I'm not saying all in-game bans should be IP bans, but the more drastic offenses definitely should. Get caught RMTing or using cheating/third party software should be a permanent IP ban.

/Sign if you agree.

[Ezalor]

Example: Nocturne/Sonaa/Evelinn. He got caught red handed RMTing and he simply just made a new account and now sells Bard power-levels for 2.5k a pull. He'll be more careful to not get caught RMTing this time, and meanwhile he knows that if he does he knows he can still just do the same thing all over.

[Bidoof]

Only problem I see would be the fluidity of IP addresses. Most people have dynamic IPs. I unplug my modem for 5 minutes, I get a new one assigned to me. Even ignoring that, a really determined person could do a bunch of things: get a new ISP, use a phone tether, connect at a public place, hide behind 7 proxies, etc.

Though I would totally get behind an effort that would permanently ban the types of offenders you list.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Bidoof [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only problem I see would be the fluidity of IP addresses. Most people have dynamic IPs. I unplug my modem for 5 minutes, I get a new one assigned to me. Even ignoring that, a really determined person could do a bunch of things: get a new ISP, use a phone tether, connect at a public place, hide behind 7 proxies, etc.

Though I would totally get behind an effort that would permanently ban the types of offenders you list.

Good point. I wonder if there's any type of way to permanent ban in game.

[pyrese]

Originally Posted by Bidoof [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only problem I see would be the fluidity of IP addresses. Most people have dynamic IPs. I unplug my modem for 5 minutes, I get a new one assigned to me. Even ignoring that, a really determined person could do a bunch of things: get a new ISP, use a phone tether, connect at a public place, hide behind 7 proxies, etc.

Though I would totally get behind an effort that would permanently ban the types of offenders you list.

I've voted no for the above quoted reason and for a similar reason.

One of the local pizza parlors has a list on the wall next to their telephone with a list of 'do not answers'. The phone numbers on this list correspond to people who fail to pay or prank in some other manner. However, that list has been up there for ages. Surely the owners of some of those numbers have changed by now, but the ban still remains on the wall. I would hate to be the poor soul who happened to by all the terrible luck in the world run in to a similar situation here were bans by IP implemented.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Ezalor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Example: Nocturne/Sonaa/Evelinn. He got caught red handed RMTing and he simply just made a new account and now sells Bard power-levels for 2.5k a pull. He'll be more careful to not get caught RMTing this time, and meanwhile he knows that if he does he knows he can still just do the same thing all over.

2.5k a pull? What a ripoff!

Only problem I see would be the fluidity of IP addresses. Most people have dynamic IPs. I unplug my modem for 5 minutes, I get a new one assigned to me. Even ignoring that, a really determined person could do a bunch of things: get a new ISP, use a phone tether, connect at a public place, hide behind 7 proxies, etc.

Though I would totally get behind an effort that would permanently ban the types of offenders you list.

While it's true that you can just get a new IP, the point is that these people shouldn't be allowed to keep playing if they've been "permanently" banned. Ie, if they admit to being who they are in game, they should be banned again, and if their guild hides who they are, the guild should be punished too. The only way to get around this would be to cheat and just assume a new identity, but then you wouldn't be able to get PLed back to 60 easily, so it's not that big of a harm. The biggest problem is when people get banned and then use their connections to get PLed again. This has been a huge issue on both servers and it would be great to see it addressed.

[SirAlvarex]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2.5k a pull? What a ripoff!



While it's true that you can just get a new IP, the point is that these people shouldn't be allowed to keep playing if they've been "permanently" banned. Ie, if they admit to being who they are in game, they should be banned again, and if their guild hides who they are, the guild should be punished too. The only way to get around this would be to cheat and just assume a new identity, but then you wouldn't be able to get PLed back to 60 easily, so it's not that big of a harm. The biggest problem is when people get banned and then use their connections to get PLed again. This has been a huge issue on both servers and it would be great to see it addressed.

This. A community blacklist is probably our best option for "permanent bans". I wouldn't off rewards (it would start a witch hunt), so I agree that offering punishment if a guild "knew" about a blacklisted player is in their guild.

There really isn't any way I can think of otherwise.

IP Ban? Nope, those can be dynamic.

MAC address ban? Those can be spoofed even easier, and even then the information might not be in the headers that are being sent to the server.

Phone ban? Intrusive to players, and has an over-arcing "why am I giving my phone number to some random dude on the internet that is running an emulated server..." feel to it. I wouldn't doubt if some cheap services are out there where you could get a "floating number." But as a plus this would probably cut down on the account sales if there was a google authenticator requirement.

Email ban? This would be possible if you had to use an email that had been active for X amount of time (similar to the phone idea thrown out there). But then the RMT'ers/cheaters would just hoard emails.

[Kevynne]

Originally Posted by Ezalor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Example: Nocturne/Sonaa/Evelinn. He got caught red handed RMTing and he simply just made a new account and now sells Bard power-levels for 2.5k a pull. He'll be more careful to not get caught RMTing this time, and meanwhile he knows that if he does he knows he can still just do the same thing all over.

richgirl=N/S/E?

[Tecmos Deception]

In other news, the death penalty not only deters everyone from committing heinous crimes, but it also never gets used on innocent parties by accident!

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In other news, the death penalty not only deters everyone from committing heinous crimes, but it also never gets used on innocent parties by accident!

Voted no for this reason alone.

GMs occasionally make the wrong decision, i dont want to have the threat of being permanently IP banned because of a fuck up. Having your account banned is punishment enough.