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hatelore · #**131** 12-23-2013, 05:02 PM

To be honest, I don't consider anyone on these forums an actual enemy, hell we do all have one thing in common. We love everquest. But, I might be persuaded to backhand a few of you sometimes =P

Raavak · #**132** 12-23-2013, 05:07 PM

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Interestingly, Rogean has gone with the more extreme Uthgaard type approach, but I'm not sure if he has attempted to (or if anyone really has the time to) see who was really benefitting from it. I guess its safer that people stay banned until he figures out who really was part of said crime ring. And I'm sorry to say I'd support that because it could be months. But to be sure on a few things.

#1 - no rerolling for anyone found to be using or benefitting from said bug. Immediately applicable to Froovy/Internode.
#2 - unbanning or perma banning per investigation of players on a case by case basis, as cases are investigated... however long it takes.

This is exactly what I posted in the TMO forums when people were like "86 accounts! He's trying to kill us!". Well, its a few days later and a bunch of accounts are back. You can't blame Rogean for not investigating every account before banning it... like Nirgon said it could take months. Besides, a bunch of the accounts may be basically inactive. Just shut them all down and let the owner come with proof he is clean. That's what's happening.

FWIW, Froovy mentioned in his farewell what he duped and if I recall correctly he said plat and some gems or jewelry. I mean, people can believe whatever they want, but that's what he said, and aside from duping, seemed like a great guy who you'd easily befriend here or IRL.

hatelore · #**133** 12-23-2013, 05:07 PM

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You seemed not to like me a great deal. Saying I was talking out of my ass etc. Okay tho, pals.

I didn't put words in your mouth. I strongly questioned that you really thought that even 10% of the # of people banned were using said exploit. Personally, I'd think in the case of those banned and the fact it didn't leak out that they were being greedy and abusing it for personal use.

This reinforces my point of permanent ban lists and these 2 players should never be able to reroll on any server. That's a real fix to the problem, weeding out and ELIMINATING people who've been banned. Uthgaard was all about this in the great
3rd party program scandal.

Interestingly, Rogean has gone with the more extreme Uthgaard type approach, but I'm not sure if he has attempted to (or if anyone really has the time to) see who was really benefitting from it. I guess its safer that people stay banned until he figures out who really was part of said crime ring. And I'm sorry to say I'd support that because it could be months. But to be sure on a few things.

#1 - no rerolling for anyone found to be using or benefitting from said bug. Immediately applicable to Froovy/Internode.
#2 - unbanning or perma banning per investigation of players on a case by case basis, as cases are investigated... however long it takes

I'm absolutely all for banning people, but take the right approach even if people have to be locked down in ban mode for sharing info with known suspects.

Further, if you think TMO's (let's say esp Loly's) opinion of them getting caught is "oh well too bad!"... I doubt it. I'm sure they are furious at these two INDIVIDUALS (so far!) that caused this problem to the server they play on. Further, I'm sure if they were caught doing it at any time by Zeelot (for instance) they'd be gkicked.

Or, wouldn't the guild bank, if they were widely abusing this have been banned in the process? If I was Rogean I would be looking into how much duplicated plat were on known (obvious, look for Trak BPs) guild bank accounts before refusing to remove the ban of anyone in TMO. I think the public outing was a good thing because at best, it will be a stern reminder to guild officers that they are responsible for the actions of their members. At worst, a guild of more successful try hards you don't like got disbanded for something 99% of them didn't do.

I actually agree with you. The 2 that did it should be perma banned. I am pretty sure they will. What peeks my interest is, for it to be so severe that they banned so many, there had to be some mass duping going on.
And I am pretty sure the majority of tmo is furious and saddened to see the downfall of there empire.

radditsu · #**134** 12-23-2013, 05:08 PM

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So tired of this RMT tinfoil hat thing. Yeah, I'm not an officer so I don't get to see the plat in the guildbank, but I do know that the bank buys extremely rare artifact and pricey items and awards them to deserving players. We also have a constant supply of Hate & Sky port stones, peridots, pearls, essence stones, recharges, and certain resist gear. Think of this, then consider the massive size of this guild, probably the largest active one on the server. Its costs a small fortune on a weekly basis. I don't think the average P99 player can even conceptualize the cost of overhead.

You know the real way to bring down TMO? Stop buying stuff from them, lol.

Yep 3-4 other guilds here have an idea on the cost of raid related items, and it is a drop in a bucket compared to what you can bring in from equipment sales.

The duplicated items/platinum did not just sit in someones bank. No interest is made, unlike in real life. It is given away /spent. If I had an unlimited amount of platinum I sure as shit would spend it/give it away.

You have ZERO idea how much it was, or where it went, or how many times it changed hands. Money is a liquid item. Their cheating has made us all guilty. I can put 2+2 together when I see high end items that drop off bosses being sold by platlord, who always seems to have a great stock of items...until durabel knocked that shit down.

Funny he always seems to get more stuff back. IB/FE/BDA have not killed THAT many traks that they are able to steadily supply RMT sites.

Raavak · #**135** 12-23-2013, 05:09 PM

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To be honest, I don't consider anyone on these forums an actual enemy, hell we do all have one thing in common. We love everquest. But, I might be persuaded to backhand a few of you sometimes =P

We're just a dysfunctional family.

Alarti0001 · #**136** 12-23-2013, 05:10 PM

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Variance is not classic you tool. You are the one getting hand outs - without variance all of your vaunted 'dedication' would be meaningless.

Variance super classic in velious !

ssfarmer · #**137** 12-23-2013, 05:11 PM

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TMO raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 0
FE/IB raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 1
TMO specific mob raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 0
FE/IB specific mob raid suspensions under Sirken rule = 1+(think 3)

Tell me more hatelores

Again this is a result of the fucked up way the server has handled things..... FE/IB is told time and again that its not that TMO is doing this the right way, theres just no proof they are doing it wrong..... TMO has dozens of fraps of every encounter thats contested or not, from 20 different angles so if something happens on accident then they can see it and spin it as intentional..... I for one am not willing to spend terrabytes of storage to make these stupid videos. i usually only am willing to turn on fraps of something after a 3rd or 4th offense in a row (i.e. tortue training VS pit and FDing on me soloing there, nuit DAing and bring prot/tola to ledge when FE/IB has higher numbers than tmo, Sericx being himself etc etc)

As far as i know, any time FE/IB has had a suspensions it was not from malicious intent, and we happily took the suspensions and learned from the mistake. If it was intentional i would vote to have them removed from the guild (i believe in my year in the guild the only time there was an intentional train was by lucabrazi in trak's lair ..... he lost alot of support after that and then soon left the guild and then server). TMO cannot claim this same thing as there are videos (which have been told by some gms are not evidence, and then by others that its the only evidence accepted) of tmo repeatedly doing shit over and over and over in the matter of minutes.

personally i would be happier that if the suspension hammer came down to have more transparency in the situation (i.e. if the reason is fraps, post the fraps in a forum post with a small reason for the decision.... leave it at that and not spend 3 days arguing back and forth with people and reducing the punishment (which again FE/IB has had the punishments reduced, but never removed..... and tmo can only claim they have no punishments because they had their punishments completely removed after arguing for a few days (example: the threat of perma bans for "poofing" .... videos of half a dozen of tmo doing it and several got bans for it that were lifted in a couple days) This whole recent duping/rmt scandal is not the first time TMO has had a ban hammer hit them.... just the first time they havnt been able to talk their way out of it

Raavak · #**138** 12-23-2013, 05:11 PM

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Variance super classic in velious !

Not so sound like a noob, but I will. Were Velious mobs on variance?

radditsu · #**139** 12-23-2013, 05:12 PM

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Variance super classic in velious !

Variance would be so sucky in NTOV.

"Oh look vyemm is up!"

*collective sigh*

Then arry pops and the whole world goes to shit.

Alarti0001 · #**140** 12-23-2013, 05:13 PM

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Do I really think all of TMO are dirty scumbags? Nope. Do i think more than 2 people know about what went down with the duping? Absolfuckingloutely. Friends talk to each other. Those guys were friends with EVERYBODY it seems. Combined with the absolute anonymous-ness of the internet and the game we play, the likelyhood is near 100%. The entirety of TMO, since IB left anyway, is Gordon Gecko levels of greed.

Enjoy your belief.... its not based on any evidence. Even the GM's think it was just those 2 players.