DPS: Monk vs. Warrior vs. Rogue vs. Ranger

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You attacked another poster (Toxigen) who was correct citing your understanding of “math” that he didn’t comprehend. It was a childish attack … and extraordinarily idiotic given that you were wrong.

YOU derailed this thread like you always do. Please for the love of god just tuck your tail, walk away, and cut it out.

This is why we call shenanigans like this DSM threads. You always do it. Quit ruining threads.

If you think disagreeing with someone is an attack, you are a very silly person lol.

This is not an attack:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...9&postcount=32

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, any class can survive AoW with enough Clerics. If you don't understand the basic math there, that's on you.

Warriors enable lower cleric kills, which is more ideal since single guilds generally can't field enough clerics to facilitate an any class tanking scenario.

I was a bit annoyed at Toxigen's initial attack, I admit. This is the post I was repesponding to. Toxigen started attacking first, and I was on the defensive. The post above is #32, and this is #31:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...6&postcount=31

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the fuck are you talking about?

this is going in my sig, thanks

every time you make some bullshit post im gonna chime in with a "see sig"

These are also attacks, which further derailed/bloated the thread:

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao

holy mfkin autism

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I giggled when I saw him post that bullshit as well

Edit: oh Jesus … he just kept going for 2 more pages

Poor fella has no understanding of game mechanics …

You really need to take a look at the post history before making a fool of yourself. Do you now understand why I call you a liar? You make things up and assert them as true, even when they are trivial to disprove.

I did admit I was wrong about AoW when I discovered I was wrong. That is the difference between us. You won't admit you were wrong by accusing me of derailing the thread, when the post history shows otherwise.

Toxigen started derailing the thread by attacking me, you and Croco piled on later.

I never start this lol. Learn some self awareness please.

[Croco]

Thanks for proving me right.

[Toxigen]

see sig

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

see sig

Indeed. Only trolls put other people's quotes in their signature to try and discredit them. Marking yourself as a troll simply ruins your credibility, which undermines what you are trying to accomplish.

Thanks for making it easier for people to ignore your nonsense. I'll happily be telling people to look at your signature. It says a lot more about you than it says about me.

Only Croco has been smart enough to realize this, to his credit. He did the same thing at one point, but has since removed it. Hopefully it was of his own volition, and not part of his ban.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually think DSM did a great job on the 2nd post of the thread. Granted, these are certainly best case scenarios (warrior zerking and not dying, avatar ranger BFG, etc) but shows a similar level of geared toons.

About a page later people clarified that generally it’s rogue > monk > warrior/ranger which more or less is accurate. As warriors need to be using non-tank weapons and forfeiting a defensive disc timer it is rare they pop into the lead on a parse outside damage shield dps. It’s even more rare to be zerking. 120+ dps, on the edge of blood aggro, no way to dump thread…roll the dice.

While there are a lot of BFG’s still in use it’s another edge-case. Legacy weapon, needing 8dmg arrows to shine, suffer a 72 min CD which is generally saved to bump. A lot can happen in 72 mins on a quake so while I’ve burned mine gleefully on Vindi those 72 minutes after aren’t exactly comforting as you wait to reset it.

The monk vs rogue game is odd. Clearly a rogue has a leg-up in terms of ease to get to a solid level, 30k Epic MQ and you are a beast. Monks need a lot of help to close that gap. Usually there is peppered “but they can tank/solo/pull” added to disclaim the difference. Mend is nice for AoE fights and all that. In the end though one class is more purpose built than the rest because outside picking locks and a slick invis mechanic they are a single purpose tool and very efficient. If you are talking ONLY DPS the rest of the stuff while helping justify your choice is just a red herring.

The rest of this thread doesn’t need to keep going. The AoW thing could have been a quick retraction. This isn’t court, admitting you might be (or are) wrong is a quick solution to a problem. The rest of the pages are just a train wreck, nobody needs to keep this going and while some may be more or less to blame it’s a shared experience.

This is a good stopping point, assuming Troxx, Toxigen, and Croco are finished bloating and derailing the thread. This is another Troxx and friends thread unfortunately. They decide when the nonsense ends. This post shows how the derailment started: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=131

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You weren’t just 100% wrong you also insinuated you understood some imaginary math that doesn’t exist.

Can we get back on topic and stay there?

Jesus.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes he did. Unfortunately, he didn’t stop there.

We were so close.

[Toxigen]

This week DSM finally learns what a flurry mob is, busting all napkin math based off the wiki.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This week DSM finally learns what a flurry mob is, busting all napkin math based off the wiki.

Incorrect. The number of attacks that flurry gives is what I was looking into, as I've never actually thought about it. I had assumptions that turned out to be false. You simply see the results of X attacks in the log. This is both the normal attacks, and the flurry attacks mixed together. For something that is supposedly common knowledge, it isn't written down anywhere that is easy to google. The P99 wiki doesn't say how many attacks flurry gives https://wiki.project1999.com/Flurry_(NPC_Ability) .

There is also no proof that you knew this information beforehand. It's easy to learn something new and pretend you knew it all along. Look at his signature for proof he is a troll. This kind of tactic is normal for trolls.

Remember that Kirdan and I provided proof, while you simply asserted you were correct without evidence. You need to understand the mechanics of the game to be able to provide evidence for how it works, even when it disproves your previous thoughts.

You rarely provide evidence for you claims, so it's easy to question how much you actually know, verses simply assuming you are correct, and attacking everyone who disagrees. You have a proven track record of attacking people who disagree with you. You derailed this very thread with such tactics https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=131 .

[Alarria]

Man, as someone who has always played casters, I thought wow! A 14 page thread comparing melee dps. Yeah....too good to be true. If it makes me a troll also, then whatever. But Deathsilkymist, sometimes it's better to just stop. I get having the last word, but you (and yes the people who like making you angry to keep you going) really do shit up really good threads. Please don't quote or respond to me.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Alarria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, as someone who has always played casters, I thought wow! A 14 page thread comparing melee dps. Yeah....too good to be true. If it makes me a troll also, then whatever. But Deathsilkymist, sometimes it's better to just stop. I get having the last word, but you (and yes the people who like making you angry to keep you going) really do shit up really good threads. Please don't quote or respond to me.

I do not care about the last word. Allowing trolls to post lies and false information will not improve the situation. You'll just get threads full of false information.

I have proof showing Troxx, Toxigen, and Croco derailed the thread. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=131

If you care about fixing the problem, talk to them. They will continue to bloat threads, even if I disappeared, because they are the problem. I never start this. they'll just find a new target.

I understand you don't want to be targeted by them, so you ask me to stop instead. Sadly that will not stop the problem, you are asking the wrong person. Cause and effect. When trolls don't attack posters, posters don't defend themselves.

[Alarria]

I didn't ask you to do anything, other than not respond or quote me, both of which you did regardless. I don't care who "targets me" on a game forum I've posted on 100 times in 13 years. Why would anyone care what an anonymous person says about you on a emulated game forum? I'm saying that sometimes, it's fun to read about a game without having to see huge quoted posts full of stuff irrelevant to the original topic. You, and they, are the cause. However, if you did have the grace to stop, the "trolls" would have no ammo.

Regardless, please don't reply. I'm just stating something.