Spells: Healing Spam from MOK

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dark Empathy? That would be considered a lifetap I believe, and follow a different code path (not direct heals).

Sorry yes, Dark Empathy, the one where you lose some life and heal someone else. I get the healing messages from that on my target.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Should any 'heal over time' spells generate messages? Celestial Healing for example currently displays 'You have healed name for X points of damage.' Not sure if that should be the case and a quick search didn't provide evidence.

Looked through many additional logs and found no evidence of this. I don't believe the healing 'ticks' displayed messages.

How about buffs that provide hitpoints - should they report healing amounts? For example casting courage, daring, or valor? I don't recall a Deepwater Helm providing a message of how much it was healing for, just that I felt "daring." These logs seem to support that:

[Tue Jun 12 18:48:18 2001] Frizznik tells you, 'GM Frizznik here can I help you?'
[Tue Jun 12 18:48:23 2001] You feel daring.
[Tue Jun 12 18:48:42 2001] Missery begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jun 12 18:49:49 2001] Your wisdom fades.
[Tue Jun 12 18:49:51 2001] You told Frizznik, 'if there are no resists.'
[Tue Jun 12 18:49:54 2001] You begin casting Daring.
[Tue Jun 12 18:49:55 2001] Your Deepwater Helm begins to glow.
[Tue Jun 12 18:50:04 2001] You feel daring.

[Mon Sep 17 18:13:51 2001] Your Donal's Vambraces of Mourning begins to glow.
[Mon Sep 17 18:13:51 2001] Ssada begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Sep 17 18:13:58 2001] Ssada begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Sep 17 18:14:03 2001] You feel valorous.
[Mon Sep 17 18:14:04 2001] Ssada begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Sep 17 18:14:11 2001] Ssada begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Sep 17 18:14:16 2001] You begin casting Valor.
[Mon Sep 17 18:14:16 2001] Your Donal's Vambraces of Mourning begins to glow.
[Mon Sep 17 18:14:23 2001] Ssada begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Sep 17 18:14:28 2001] You feel valorous.

[Wed Jul 18 21:05:04 2001] You feel protected.
[Wed Jul 18 21:05:08 2001] You begin casting Valor.
[Wed Jul 18 21:05:11 2001] You feel valorous.
[Wed Jul 18 21:05:16 2001] You begin casting Guard.
[Wed Jul 18 21:05:19 2001] You feel the favor of the gods upon you.

[mcoy]

I know we don't like going off memories - but I'm pretty sure I remember casting on myself and looking at the HP change to see how much my new buffs / heals did. I remember being excited when my heal finally said "soandso feels much better" (as opposed to better / little better) because I dinged and got Healing.

I know you have them, but I'll see if I find anything pertinent in my logs.

-Mcoy

[nilbog]

Pending update:

-Heal-over-time spells no longer generate per-tick 'You have been healed for X' messages
-Healing messages now display correctly for heals less than 100HP
-Healing messages no longer include the caster's name for the recipient
-One-time buff heals (e.g. Courage) no longer display the amount healed

[Kich867]

Just wanted to update this and I'm sure you already know--the Dark Empathy line of spells does NOT show you that you've healed someone, I thought that was what the message was, the 30 points is the _damage_ you take not the healing you do, so I was mistaken.

[nilbog]

Thanks for the follow up. So, with my changes, I do see the healing messages locally for Dark Empathy. However, I don't think I should and that's one of the problems.

#1. Based on classic logs and research, the message sent is wrong. In classic, the caster should see 'You groan and feel a bit weaker.'

[Fri Aug 10 08:38:54 2001] You have finished memorizing Dark Empathy.
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:17 2001] You begin casting Dark Empathy.
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:21 2001] Strawbewy's wounds disappear.
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:21 2001] You groan and feel a bit weaker.
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:44 2001] Auto attack on.
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:45 2001] You slash a black bear for 28 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:48 2001] You slash a black bear for 42 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:48 2001] You slash a black bear for 43 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:48 2001] You have slain a black bear!
[Fri Aug 10 08:39:56 2001] You begin casting Dark Empathy.
[Fri Aug 10 08:40:01 2001] Strawbewy's wounds disappear.
[Fri Aug 10 08:40:01 2001] You groan and feel a bit weaker.
[Fri Aug 10 08:40:09 2001] Strawbewy says, 'thanks!'
[Fri Aug 10 08:40:09 2001] You begin casting Dark Empathy.
[Fri Aug 10 08:40:13 2001] Strawbewy's wounds disappear.

This is corroborated by a log of a random petition I found:

[Tue Apr 24 23:32:37 2001] DELETING THIS PETITION
[Tue Apr 24 23:32:39 2001] RETRIEVING PETITION...PLEASE WAIT
[Tue Apr 24 23:32:40 2001] USER TEXT: problem with the dark empathy necro spell
[Tue Apr 24 23:32:40 2001] Players in EverQuest:
[Tue Apr 24 23:32:40 2001] ---------------------------
[Tue Apr 24 23:32:40 2001] [10 Necromancer] Valaraukar (Dark Elf) ZONE: commons (USER PID AV86K0V)
[Tue Apr 24 23:32:40 2001] There is 1 player in EverQuest.
[Tue Apr 24 23:32:46 2001] Valaraukar tells you, 'Question about the Dark Empathy Necromancer Spell'
[Tue Apr 24 23:32:51 2001] You told Valaraukar, 'okay, shoot'
[Tue Apr 24 23:33:42 2001] Valaraukar tells you, 'It seems to be telling everyone around me when I cast the spell in the first person... a.ka. instead of saying Valaraukar groans and looks weaker it says You groan and look weaker.'
[Tue Apr 24 23:33:49 2001] Shoull tells you, 'anything that can be done??'
[Tue Apr 24 23:33:57 2001] Valaraukar tells you, 'is this supposed to happen?'
[Tue Apr 24 23:34:17 2001] You told Shoull, 'All I can suggest is you talk to Tech Support and the GM... there's nothing I can do.'

This appeared to be a limited time bug in 2001, which we won't be replicating but adding for posterity:
https://dbsanfte.github.io/eq-archiv...t-msg-1835.txt

This message is not what we current send. Right now it is 'Your wounds turn black.'

#2. The caster should not see how much damage they dealt to themselves, nor what they healed for. The recipient should only see 'Your wounds disappear.'

[Mon Aug 20 20:52:40 2001] Argun begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:44 2001] You say out of character, 'iksar also have better natural ac'
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:44 2001] Your wounds disappear.
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:45 2001] You groans and looks a bit weaker.
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:51 2001] You receive 7 gold, 6 silver, 10 copper from the corpse.
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:52 2001] You no longer have a target.
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:53 2001] Argun begins to cast a spell.
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:53 2001] Deaman auctions, 'Selling Othmir Cloak>>>ac 6, sta 6, wis 4, cha 2, hits 5, magic 2, dis 4,>>ALL/ALL 7k platt '
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:56 2001] Tipa saved.
[Mon Aug 20 20:52:57 2001] Your wounds disappear.

[nilbog]

Okay the healing messages should look a lot better.

-Corrected message text for recourse healing spells (Dark Empathy, Corpal Empathy).
-Direct heal spells on targets other than yourself do not display the amount healed.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay the healing messages should look a lot better.

-Corrected message text for recourse healing spells (Dark Empathy, Corpal Empathy).
-Direct heal spells on targets other than yourself do not display the amount healed.

This is wrong (at the end of the timeline)

There's a patch note from November 7, 2001 that says:

- You now see the number of hit points you are healed, and you also now
see how many hit points you heal when healing others.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/his...es-2001-2.html

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is wrong (at the end of the timeline)

There's a patch note from November 7, 2001 that says:

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/his...es-2001-2.html

I didn't find any logs in era that display the messages. Does anyone have examples?

[Sun Nov 11 01:33:12 2001] You begin casting Greater Healing.
[Sun Nov 11 01:33:15 2001] Ratrasis feels much better.

[Sun Nov 11 14:50:18 2001] You begin casting Greater Healing.
[Sun Nov 11 14:50:20 2001] A goblin agressor hits Fishbulb for 17 points of damage.
[Sun Nov 11 14:50:21 2001] Lesser icebone skeleton tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Sun Nov 11 14:50:21 2001] Ffwiendlee bashes lesser icebone skeleton for 2 points of damage.
[Sun Nov 11 14:50:22 2001] Qanr begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Nov 11 14:50:22 2001] Fishbulb feels much better.

Even in 2002, I don't see them

[Sun Jan 20 20:54:56 2002] You begin casting Greater Healing.
[Sun Jan 20 20:54:57 2002] --Empediclez has looted a A Tump Stump.--
[Sun Jan 20 20:54:59 2002] Empediclez feels much better.

[Sun Jan 20 20:56:04 2002] You begin casting Greater Healing.
[Sun Jan 20 20:56:08 2002] Brooklinn feels much better.
[Sun Jan 20 20:56:12 2002] You begin casting Greater Healing.
[Sun Jan 20 20:56:13 2002] Kuranik regards you indifferently -- what would you like your tombstone to say?
[Sun Jan 20 20:56:16 2002] Kuranik feels much better.

[Fri Jul 26 20:44:12 2002] You begin casting Greater Healing.
[Fri Jul 26 20:44:12 2002] You tell your party, 'Casting Greater Healing on Pillowfighter'
[Fri Jul 26 20:44:15 2002] Your Book of Obulus feeds you with power.
[Fri Jul 26 20:44:15 2002] Pillowfighter feels much better.

[Rygar]

Was there a filter option you needed to turn on to see it perhaps? Just thinking out loud