Why Classic EQ is still the best online RPG (and how P1999 could make it even better)

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I liked a lot of what you said (especially before you got to the suggestions), but I also like this:



Some of your complaints are more valid than others. Yes, PLing can shut down a zone and prevent regular groups from EXPing there, and that's sad. But if someone is being PLed and it isn't to the detriment of others, or if they twink themselves using their main, think about this person's play history - how did they get the money for the gear, or for the PL? They started from scratch and slowly worked their way up just like everyone else (unless of course a friend helped them out in a huge way).

The grind from 1 to 60 starting with nothing is an adventure, but it is a very long adventure and a lot of people don't want to repeat it with every other character they play, so they choose to speed it up with twinking or PLing. Twinking a character and leveling that character is fun in a completely different way than leveling a character from nothing, and offers a different (and still challenging, since you are taking on harder targets) experience that's enjoyable in its own way - you're thinking about some very interesting questions regarding what gear to put on the new character and why, where to get that gear, how to spend the money you have effectively, et cetera; and then you get to play this character, a superman of your own design, and take down more difficult mobs and camps than you could otherwise. And unlike PLing, twinking your character helps the people around you, assuming you're not a snob about who you group with. No, it doesn't necessarily make sense from the roleplaying perspective, but few people play EQ as serious roleplayers, though they might enjoy the sense of accomplishment that comes with the challenge and arduousness of the game, and they might enjoy the large world and atmosphere.

Well said.

I do think your first point still fails to separate player from character, which I feel is key to an RPG.

As to the second, that's why I didnt recommend any changes to twinking and only the 2x level Xp mod as far as Pling. Both reasonable and the 2x level xp mod would only affect those trying to claim a whole zone for their level 12 while making a mockery of the genre.

[Raavak]

The thing is, you still have the freedom here on P99, to make it how you wish. You don't need the GM's to hardcode it. Just get a group of like-minded people together and play by these rules yourself. Check into the Role-Playing guild someone is trying to start.

[eqravenprince]

Ideally if there is custom content, it should be discussed thoroughly and voted on. I do like your passion though.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So bottom line, what do the GMs want here? Classic or Classic Intent by devs?

How would they know what the classic intent by the devs would be? Your guess is as good as mine.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ideally if there is custom content, it should be discussed thoroughly and voted on. I do like your passion though.

I guess I'd say we can all discuss and vote, but the decision lies in the hands of the great people who set this server up. I bow to whatever they decide.

Thanks about the passion comment. I love EQ - this old style. It literally broke my heart when they ruined it. I love it here, but I do think some players make a mockery of a great game with their words and actions.

[Cippofra]

The obsession with role playing confuses me sometimes. Some people love it, I get that. But for people to think everyone should be in character all the time is just silly. Do I occasionally make comments or jokes that are technically role playing? Sure. But that's as far as it goes. My best memories in this game are from socializing with people. Not ogres and wood elves, but other people that share a common interest. The fact that EQ is classified as a role playing game doesn't mean you need to pretend you're an ogre. When I play final fantasy I don't pretend I'm cloud or lightning. I just play.

Also, on the subject of twinking, the most fun I have had in this game is by far the end game content. My first character was a level 32 bard with over 365 days played. At level 32 I was lucky when I got an electrum bladed wakizashi. I had done more traveling, exploring, and dying than I had grinding. It was fun, once. Once and only once. Had no reason to see anything between levels 1-32 after that character. I enjoyed getting to level 46 with a twinked monk in less than a week immensely. You know the game already, you know where to go. You see things from a completely new perspective, and you can progress without having to dedicate 50% of your life to it. I wouldn't support it here because the player base is too small, but if EQ live in the velious era had an option to let you start out any class at all from lets say...level 45 as long as you had a level 60 main I would have definitely supported it. I think a 2x exp modifier would be a good idea here though. Despite popular belief, I simply do not learn anything new from killing my 1000th sand scarab.

[Noudess]

Originally Posted by Cippofra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The obsession with role playing confuses me sometimes. Some people love it, I get that. But for people to think everyone should be in character all the time is just silly. Do I occasionally make comments or jokes that are technically role playing? Sure. But that's as far as it goes. My best memories in this game are from socializing with people. Not ogres and wood elves, but other people that share a common interest. The fact that EQ is classified as a role playing game doesn't mean you need to pretend you're an ogre. When I play final fantasy I don't pretend I'm cloud or lightning. I just play.

Also, on the subject of twinking, the most fun I have had in this game is by far the end game content. My first character was a level 32 bard with over 365 days played. At level 32 I was lucky when I got an electrum bladed wakizashi. I had done more traveling, exploring, and dying than I had grinding. It was fun, once. Once and only once. Had no reason to see anything between levels 1-32 after that character. I enjoyed getting to level 46 with a twinked monk in less than a week immensely. You know the game already, you know where to go. You see things from a completely new perspective, and you can progress without having to dedicate 50% of your life to it. I wouldn't support it here because the player base is too small, but if EQ live in the velious era had an option to let you start out any class at all from lets say...level 45 as long as you had a level 60 main I would have definitely supported it. I think a 2x exp modifier would be a good idea here though. Despite popular belief, I simply do not learn anything new from killing my 1000th sand scarab.

That all make sense man. Do you agree or disagree with the 2x level mob thing? Its just that some of that stuffs makes the game so non-immersive and mocks the genre in my mind. The rest was just my perspective on how people might get more joy. If you're getting you're fill, thats the point of a game!

[Vellatri]

Originally Posted by Cippofra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The obsession with role playing confuses me sometimes. Some people love it, I get that. But for people to think everyone should be in character all the time is just silly. Do I occasionally make comments or jokes that are technically role playing? Sure. But that's as far as it goes. My best memories in this game are from socializing with people. Not ogres and wood elves, but other people that share a common interest. The fact that EQ is classified as a role playing game doesn't mean you need to pretend you're an ogre. When I play final fantasy I don't pretend I'm cloud or lightning. I just play.

Totally understandable. Some people just want guildchat to be like a normal chatroom. It's a "social" game, after all, if you can call it that.

Me, I'd rather not talk about politics, television, or even The Hobbit. Yes, I know what to expect from anonymous people that are crammed onto the same server. However, I do like to immerse myself as much as reasonably possible.

I like playing Skyrim when I don't feel like being social. If the NPCs there asked me my opinion on the U.S. elections, I'd uninstall it. It feels like that with EQ sometimes. I get enough of that everywhere else I go. Some of us would rather just pretend we're in another world. Norrath is a very big world, after all - much bigger than Skyrim.

The nice thing about EQ is that we're free to join up with like-minded people into our own guilds. If anyone shares my opinions, or even wants to "actively" roleplay, I hope we can get something going that we can enjoy together.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by Noudess [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So bottom line, what do the GMs want here? Classic or Classic Intent by devs?

Also, you guys want this stuff, do you also want all bugs present in classic, or just the ones you can take advantage of?

It was stated in the last QQ thread and I'll state it in this one:

The intent of the server is to come as close to Classic as possible (with the current client/staff/time)

If you want a classic experience with custom elements, well.. you better get started on that server.

[Frogie305]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the fuk u just say 2 me?

Jeremy this shit made me laugh so damn hard.... this is for you .







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