An open letter to GM staff regarding MQs

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Around the time of promoting Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen... I think SamwiseRed (or someone who has been around a long time) actually asked Brad McQuad if getting rogue/cleric/shaman/etc epics at level 1 was intended by the original EQ developers.

The answer? No.


Hard to stop it now of course, but it is sad to see cleric epics on people leveling in Mistmoore.

Quest your own epics, get that sense of achievement.

Yeah i remember that.

The forced raid rotation system isn't classic either, but it was done because they determined that the raid scene was unacceptable and not in the spirit of what they were trying to accomplish here. I think you could pretty easily argue that the current epic MQ market is certainty not in the spirit of classic EQ nor of what they are trying to accomplish here either. It isn't quite as cut and dry however, because as OP stated there are some occasions where MQs actually benefit the non-basement dwelling crowd. But i think that those instances are far and few between.

I think the only legit argument for it is that it may allow players that aren't part of a large guild or any guild at all who don't have much play time to spend a few hours a day tunnel questing to eventually get an epic. But seriously, we need LESS reasons for people to tunnel quest...not more.

[DeadlyReza]

Ok here is a scenario that is against this.

I have 4 level 60 characters. I have been playing since p99 server opened. I have already been through so many epic runs...

I also have more cash than I know what to do with

Should my precious hard work be put aside because someone is complaining that I have more pixels than them?

MQing is classic, it's not like you can get an epic for 10k, I know rogues are 30k but you would be looking at 70k for a cleric and god knows what else for the rest... I think it would be cool to limit level for epic turn ins though, that's a sweet idea

[Laugher]

Had the same thing happen to a friend here a couple years ago. Quest is best really, and besides its the official way of The Vision™

[Bboboo]

As if we needed an original EQ dev to weigh in on epiced level ones.

I like MQing in the way it goes to show how broken and new everything was at the time and how MQing is now should really not be that suprising. Telling people they should get thier epic 'the right way' and looking down on people that sell MQs is just silly.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for your opinion. Wipe it clean.

[Duncon]

Level 1 characters running around with epics might be classic mechanics. It doesn’t feel classic. I am sure it happened, but I never saw it. Here it is so common I am surprized when I see a rogue leveling up without an epic and cleric epics at low levels are common place.

End the MQs!

[ppdanny]

Originally Posted by Jarac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have a good point about the MQ scam thing.

However, you can't stop corpse-ing of lore items. What if I want to kill myself and take an EXP loss and corpse an item? What if I JUST got to camp and something drops, if anything I'm going to want to stay at the camp and try for another, not be forced to leave because of a non-classic change because OP wants more camps. Everyone has the same shot getting camps as everyone else (unless guilds passing off to only guildies which is lame as fuck but happens) getting the camps and people can stay @ them as long as they like. Thats EverQuest man. I wear a Fungi, so if I want to go camp king with a group, I just can't corpse my current fungi if I win the one that just dropped? Just because its an item I'm wearing, everyone else is their for greed. Do I show up without it on? No. Its my main item, but no one else is here for need. You see what I'm getting at? Corpsing should not be changed, there's too many issues that would come up.

In this instance I agree with being able to corpse the item once, since you already had it. I know of someone who handed off a fungi to a friend and still stayed at the camp until he got a second. This is the type of greed that needs to be shamed imo.

[kremlar]

No real opinion on the two requests, there is just something that confused me about the preamble: Do people really not use trusted third parties on this server?

Buyer hands the money to some known neutral party. Buyer & seller go off to perform whatever service was on offer. Neutral party takes their cut and gives the rest to the seller.

Protects both sides from shenanagins and doesn't require anything from GMs.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by kremlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No real opinion on the two requests, there is just something that confused me about the preamble: Do people really not use trusted third parties on this server?

Buyer hands the money to some known neutral party. Buyer & seller go off to perform whatever service was on offer. Neutral party takes their cut and gives the rest to the seller.

Protects both sides from shenanagins and doesn't require anything from GMs.

Hagglebaron used to run an escrow type service. I used it when I sold my first account here. Since the account selling was banned its had less of a reason to be around.

The problem these days, as the neutral third party there's every chance you're handling dirty plat and are going to catch a suspension for it.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hard to stop it now of course, but it is sad to see cleric epics on people leveling in Mistmoore.

Quest your own epics, get that sense of achievement.

To be fair, some people will quest their own epic, they just do it on L60_main_01 and then MQ it to L1_cleric_alt_05. I would think they have still earned the sense of achievement? I cannot say the same for those who purchase their epic.