An open letter to GM staff regarding MQs

ppdanny · #1 06-17-2015, 08:16 AM

First of all, I realize that this thread will be border RnF. Just wanted to throw that out there ahead of time.

As everyone knows, staff no longer support multi-questing fails. As in, if you mess up - its your loss.

Staff do not support any form of scamming, and if caught actively scamming they will ban you. Sirken has however said on stream that if you are stupid enough to fall for a scam where you are trading someone an item because they "have something on their alt" and youre giving some level 1 character thousands of plat..etc. then its your own stupidity (I agree for the record.)

However, issues come into this with Multi-Questing. If you are selling a MQ of an item to someone, undoubtedly someone has to cough up first. Either the person MQing the item, or the person with the cash. What if you trade someone the cash and they don't have the full MQ and just do enough to mess up the MQ (thereby where staff wont support MQ fails) the person is out their money. Technically they have scammed you, but you really have no way of knowing.

This could go the other way around too (something that happened in my case). I had an agreed upon price with someone from a reputable raiding guild. I MQd the person the full cleric epic and then stopped hearing from them on any of their characters even when they were on-line. Thankfully, this is considered a form of scamming right now, but the most it did was get that person banned. The GMs won't go into that persons accounts and give me the payment, nor will they restore the items lost.

I guess if I were want to quit and wanna screw someone in the process I know how and there isn't really anything the person can do other than possibly be weary, but in the even of something that sounds fair - they would be none the wiser; just saying.

So the above sums up the negatives around scamming and MQing, and yes I've told people how they can even get away with it. However, if an epic piece drops on a raid and is MQable, the guild can have someone loot the piece and in future help one of their members in getting their epic without having get said piece again. This is very great functionality of MQs (helping people out).

However on this server, the majority of MQs are based on greed. People incessantly farming stuff like jboots mq, rogue epic, cleric epic, monk epic, shaman epic, chardok monk pipe, KC monk pipe.. etc. for the purpose of making money. I could also make honorable mentions of corpsing items, however that is not quite relevant to the rest of this post, but I am adding it anyways.

So my plight is this, and I am away I am guilty of the following as well. I am asking the following 2 considerations from GMs.

1. Prohibit the transaction of any items via MQ for the purpose of profit. It is not true the spirit of classic, and should be a bannable offense. If you and a buddy wanna each do a jboot farm for each others alts, thats one thing - but to camp jboots to make 6-7k should be prohibited, and if caught you should lose the item and get a warning. Further offenses should result in suspensions, leading up to banning. Theres a reason these items were NO DROP to begin with - lets stick to that reasoning otherwise they might as well not be.

2. Prohibit the corpsing of items for the purpose of greed. If you're camping a FBSS and get one, you leave the camp. You don't corpse the item and keep holding the camp. You give the camp up to the next person in line who was waiting for it. If after that person leaves and you were next in line and you had a chance to transfer or sell the FBSS - that still gives other people reasonable time to get into the camp without some family sharing 1 character and camping King Tranix for weeks on end.

I have not specifically shamed anyone in this post, that is not the purpose of this - or it truly would belong in RnF. I understand not everyone will agree with me and I ask that if you don't agree that you do so respectfully and with reasoning. I am open to the idea of this being a debate, so long as it is done professionally and appropriately without the need of introducing RnF elements such as trolling. I value anyone else's input on the matter, whether they agree with me or not.

Cecily · #2 06-17-2015, 08:56 AM

Thank you for your opinion. Wipe it clean.

Clark · #3 06-17-2015, 10:35 AM

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B4EQWASCOOL · #4 06-17-2015, 02:50 PM

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mr_jon3s · #5 06-17-2015, 08:56 AM

1. I agree MQs have gotten out of hand for profit and actually screws over people that is there first character on the server and wants to do a quest.

2. This has already been addressed.

Jarac · #6 06-17-2015, 08:59 AM

You have a good point about the MQ scam thing.

However, you can't stop corpse-ing of lore items. What if I want to kill myself and take an EXP loss and corpse an item? What if I JUST got to camp and something drops, if anything I'm going to want to stay at the camp and try for another, not be forced to leave because of a non-classic change because OP wants more camps. Everyone has the same shot getting camps as everyone else (unless guilds passing off to only guildies which is lame as fuck but happens) getting the camps and people can stay @ them as long as they like. Thats EverQuest man. I wear a Fungi, so if I want to go camp king with a group, I just can't corpse my current fungi if I win the one that just dropped? Just because its an item I'm wearing, everyone else is their for greed. Do I show up without it on? No. Its my main item, but no one else is here for need. You see what I'm getting at? Corpsing should not be changed, there's too many issues that would come up.

Lojik · #7 06-17-2015, 09:09 AM

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You have a good point about the MQ scam thing.

However, you can't stop corpse-ing of lore items. What if I want to kill myself and take an EXP loss and corpse an item? What if I JUST got to camp and something drops, if anything I'm going to want to stay at the camp and try for another, not be forced to leave because of a non-classic change because OP wants more camps. Everyone has the same shot getting camps as everyone else (unless guilds passing off to only guildies which is lame as fuck but happens) getting the camps and people can stay @ them as long as they like. Thats EverQuest man. I wear a Fungi, so if I want to go camp king with a group, I just can't corpse my current fungi if I win the one that just dropped? Just because its an item I'm wearing, everyone else is their for greed. Do I show up without it on? No. Its my main item, but no one else is here for need. You see what I'm getting at? Corpsing should not be changed, there's too many issues that would come up.

They had at one point ruled that once you got your item you had to leave the camp if someone is waiting, not sure if that's still the rule. Technically if you corpse an item you leave the zone so forfeit the camp (at least if you're solo and someone is waiting.) This was in response to someone holding tranix camp for a month straight.

ppdanny · #8 06-17-2015, 10:53 AM

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You have a good point about the MQ scam thing.

However, you can't stop corpse-ing of lore items. What if I want to kill myself and take an EXP loss and corpse an item? What if I JUST got to camp and something drops, if anything I'm going to want to stay at the camp and try for another, not be forced to leave because of a non-classic change because OP wants more camps. Everyone has the same shot getting camps as everyone else (unless guilds passing off to only guildies which is lame as fuck but happens) getting the camps and people can stay @ them as long as they like. Thats EverQuest man. I wear a Fungi, so if I want to go camp king with a group, I just can't corpse my current fungi if I win the one that just dropped? Just because its an item I'm wearing, everyone else is their for greed. Do I show up without it on? No. Its my main item, but no one else is here for need. You see what I'm getting at? Corpsing should not be changed, there's too many issues that would come up.

In this instance I agree with being able to corpse the item once, since you already had it. I know of someone who handed off a fungi to a friend and still stayed at the camp until he got a second. This is the type of greed that needs to be shamed imo.

Connecticut · #9 06-17-2015, 09:09 AM

MQing is classic, your suggestion is not.

Case closed.

Swish · #10 06-17-2015, 09:23 AM

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MQing is classic, your suggestion is not.

Case closed.

Around the time of promoting Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen... I think SamwiseRed (or someone who has been around a long time) actually asked Brad McQuad if getting rogue/cleric/shaman/etc epics at level 1 was intended by the original EQ developers.

The answer? No.

Hard to stop it now of course, but it is sad to see cleric epics on people leveling in Mistmoore.

Quest your own epics, get that sense of achievement.