ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Phatso]

Arya says Jon snow is a half brother. And doesn't get whipped. Shouldn't that debunk r + L = J?

[wts]

Why should she get punished for Ned's lies?

[Pokesan]

are they trolling preston jacobs on purpose now?

daenarys is definitely immune to fire in the show

[Bisonzabi]

This show has gotten really lame now that they're 100% off of source material. I mean the deaths don't feel legit anymore, it's like they're trying to hastily wrap up things ESPECIALLY abandoned plot line characters from previous Seasons prior to 4-5. And if the leak I read is legit, there will be plenty of other hasty wrap ups of plotlines abandoned seasons earlier as well.

This episode was just stupid. Dany scenes are the worst and her character is just so boring and mundane.

[trite]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This show has gotten really lame now that they're 100% off of source material. I mean the deaths don't feel legit anymore, it's like they're trying to hastily wrap up things ESPECIALLY abandoned plot line characters from previous Seasons prior to 4-5. And if the leak I read is legit, there will be plenty of other hasty wrap ups of plotlines abandoned seasons earlier as well.

This episode was just stupid. Dany scenes are the worst and her character is just so boring and mundane.

I heard HBO was planning to end the show at end of season 8 currently.....I agree the Danny scene could've been better, she should've self-immolated for dramatic effect ; )

[Sirken]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

I'm a lot more interested in what the book does with this, but I think its possible part of Ned's character development was understanding the whole rebellion shit show was a mistake. Bad guys? No. They (Ned) would have come to the knowledge too late.

[AenorVZ]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

Don't be so judgmental maaan. GRRM is a hippy.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

Its always been my understanding that Lyanna was in love with Rhaegar and that it was very much a mutual thing. They both just wanted to run away together but neither the Stark nor Targaryan families were OK with this and Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna…Its been awhile since I read any of the books, but I have it very vividly in my mind that it is heavily hinted that the two were running away together because they were in love.

The kidnapping was a complete ruse because Lyanna was married? or Rhaegar was married? I don't remember exactly besides the fact that it was an obvious cover story to try to make Lyanna not look like a whore...and very transparent given the context of the books.

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its always been my understanding that Lyanna was in love with Rhaegar and that it was very much a mutual thing. They both just wanted to run away together but neither the Stark nor Targaryan families were OK with this and Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna…Its been awhile since I read any of the books, but I have it very vividly in my mind that it is heavily hinted that the two were running away together because they were in love.

The kidnapping was a complete ruse because Lyanna was married? or Rhaegar was married? I don't remember exactly besides the fact that it was an obvious cover story to try to make Lyanna not look like a whore...and very transparent given the context of the books.

Not sure what you mean "Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna"...?

I think the kidnapping story is just a mistake, as the Starks/Robert don't think Lyanna would have gone willingly. Lyanna was betrothed to Robert, which creates it own form of tension. Rhaegar had married for duty, had the whole prophecy thing going on, and chose Lyanna (and probably loved her). Which leads to a series of GIANT screw-ups. My guess is Ned pieces this all together when he finally finds Lyanna and goes forth to lead a life as the most honorable, tragic liar in the story.