ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Nihilist_santa]

Damn wrong link. http://mashable.com/2016/05/23/fan-p.../#L0GvpqHoJEqw

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no. Myrcella is a female, Gendry is a bastard. by law neither can inherit the throne. they have literally the exact same issues that Dany & Jon would have

Daughters can't inherit even when a male claimant doesn't exist? You sure?

Also, legally wouldn't it go to a great council? In practical terms, it becomes about the largest army / alliance.

Sansa is gonna be the queen I'm telling y'all Sansa the Great

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Daughters can't inherit even when a male claimant doesn't exist? You sure?
Also, legally wouldn't it go to a great council? In practical terms, it becomes about the largest army / alliance.
Sansa is gonna be the queen I'm telling y'all Sansa the Great

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the line of succession is unclear it is customary for war to clarify the issue.

i think its pretty well known that Cersei's children are Jaime's. Giving Myrcella no legal claim.

i'm not asking who will end up with it. im just asking who the legal heir would be based on what we know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[deezy]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think its pretty well known that Cersei's children are Jaime's. Giving Myrcella no legal claim. i'm not asking who will end up with it. im just asking who the legal heir would be based on what we know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Assuming nobody forcefully tries to seize the throne, I believe the person with the strongest claim is Cersei.

There are no more Baratheon's alive if we can trust the TV show to be in line with the books. 150~ years before Robert was born Corwen Baratheon married a woman named Leyne who bore 6 children. Of those children, Elyanna married a Lord named Mathin Lannister. Mathin fathered Jason, who fathered Demon, who fathered Gerold, who fathered Tytos Lannister. Tywin is Tytos' first born.

Of Tywin's children, Jaime is Lord Commander of the Kingsguard making him ineligible. Tyrion is a fugitive, convicted and sentenced to death for regicide. Cersei is next in line. If her gender (or whatever else) prevents her from accession, Lancel is next since Kevan is dead. If Lancel refuses the throne, his brother Martyn Lannister would be next in the line of succession.

On the other hand, if for whatever reason Gendry is legitimized, he would have the strongest claim. (not gonna happen)

[deezy]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no. Myrcella is a female, Gendry is a bastard. by law neither can inherit the throne. they have literally the exact same issues that Dany & Jon would have.

When the line of succession is unclear it is customary for war to clarify the issue.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066

Sansa is gonna be the queen I'm telling y'all Sansa the Great

I agree, I believe it will be Sansa that ends up sitting upon the iron throne. GRRM tends to use historical events as inspiration for his books. There are noticeable similarities between Sansa and Queen Elizabeth's accession.

[Spyder73]

#Danny>Jon

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Bisonzabi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol jesus well GRRM really goofed there.

D&D seemed prepared to dump "Hold the Door" on GRRM. But like Sirks I think some of us are just being too hard on it. I'm willing to cut GRRM some big slack on this one.

Despite having to bash the scene in my own home immediately after it aired due to extreme peer pressure, it was a very powerful scene and the most meaningful plotline advance we have seen, as well as the most red blooded action we have seen. The point is to evoke emotion, and this succeeded in doing so as many of us teared up.

Unless you think knocking a guy off a bridge or the cutting the Dornish Master Plan to ribbons (literally) already fit the bill.

However I can't help but feel now that the show is pressuring GRRM's writing, driving his process. This is the only thing I care about. I think this makes it official that the show is impacting the books.

[beyondinfin]

Maybe the last episode will make GRRM release a Bran chapter.

[Patriam1066]

Show sucks

When bran does that to Hodor in the books, I guarantee one of two things (or both):

1. He won't force Hodor to die for a 2 minute head start in a blizzard with Meera pulling his ass on a sled. They are dead in that scene unless Coldhands is right outside and Bran couldn't possibly know that. D&D should've made Hodor's death mean more... GRRM will I imagine

2. We have Bran POV chapters. We're going to possibly see an inner struggle for Bran when he does this. From what we know about Bloodraven, he was a manipulative fuck who wielded extreme power in the Seven Kingdoms. Maybe it was his abilities (being able to see into people's minds/Warg/telepath whatever) that made him slide down a path towards becoming unaware of how manipulative he became. Anyway, I imagine that Bran will struggle with the same thing. The skinchangers we're presented are all shitty people with the exception of Jon and Arya. Maybe bran, like Varamyr and Bloodraven, will be corrupted by his power and killing Hodor will be the point of no return

I'm not gonna lie, I don't like "hold the door" in general but I also think GRRM will do it so much better than D&D. And as I said, Martin makes everything nuanced. We're somewhat seeing that skinchanging isn't necessarily a gift, it's corrupting...

PS: stop killing wolves ass holes wtf

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. He won't force Hodor to die for a 2 minute head start in a blizzard with Meera pulling his ass on a sled. They are dead in that scene unless Coldhands is right outside and Bran couldn't possibly know that. D&D should've made Hodor's death mean more... GRRM will I imagine

100% sure Coldhands is there, so moot point imo. Just no way he isn't right there and nearby charging in on his horse.