Soulfire

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't forget: manastone, guise of the deceiver, multiquesting, complete heal!

-epics at level 1
-training in VP
-sub level 59/60 people in VP
-recharging items
-donals bp
-monks split pulling
-swam kiting
-all powerleveling techniques
-manastones (especially with donals bp combo)
-guise
-multiquesting
-cheal
-key corpses in sky
-skipping islands in sky
-paladins sucking
-clicky aggro mechanics
-puppet strings solo kills
-soulfire/other click cheal
-twinking (fungis etc)

Anything else?


I, for one, will play Project Alarti: IntentQuest

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why dodge my question and raise a bunch of strawmen? You certainly did bring up your position that it should be nerfed. You just happened to post it in a thread that also advocated that same position. Unless you are denying that you think that Soulfire should be fixed/nerfed.

You implied i waited 2 years to bring up an issue. I told you I didn't bring up the issue I just supported it. This demonstrates apathy not malice. I also don't sit around thinking about what should or shouldn't be fixed about p99 all day. I thought about this subject and came to a conclusion.

"original intent", sounds like you need to roll a custom server. Fix hybrid penalties, feign death pulling, clickies, recharging, etc.

Psssst. Ele this is a custom server.

Are you sure about that? Following your opinion that "the game should be played in the way it was intended" you should remove the spell complete heal.

Really... lol. Please post that in passing dev comment as evidence i'd be glad to dissect it for you

Why do I need to prove anything? Soulfire is currently implemented as it should be. The burden of proof is on you my good man.

I agree soulfire is implemented as it was in classic. I would disagree as to whether it should be implemented the same way here. In case you missed it I am implying that the only reason it went un-noticed and never got nerfed was because no raiding guild were using it like they used Donals.

So clerics were made to CH raids, but then you pass it off as autobots/mercs? Which is it? With Donals or without, EQ classic unfortunately makes clerics use CH chains.

Heard of a limiting factor called mana?

Donal's BP is already reported and set up for patching within the proper timeline.

Good?


Ad hominem you know better than that Alarti, come on.

Actually, this wasn't. It was a statement of truth and wasn't directed at a particular person.


That isn't the goal of this server. EQ was brutal in its time sinks and some mechanics and itemization.. This server needs/should take the good with the bad.

I think there are smarter choices then this. What is the good value you get from having paladins level 40% slower than others or for allowing Soulfires to heal a raid? Other than "its classic" of course.

Why not roll a custom server for yourself with EQ in your vision?

Why don't you. This server is certainly not your vision. You want to fight for your cause.. why deny others theirs?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

L2read

Are you coherent?

"if you are not trying to deny VP keys, why are you selling keys for as much as epic pieces? Why do you not hand them out to players in the zone? Why do you not announce they are there and whoever wants them can come loot them?"

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Dumb thread.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You show yourself in the foot there. Key phrase... "as classic as possible", debating what is possible in a current context is a viable concept. Saying no simply because soulfire were usable in classic does not demonstrate proper thinking. I love how you quote your own interpretation of a phrase and then deem everyone should use that.

Maybe you should learn about rhetoric and fallacy beyond a wiki page haha.

"As classic as possible" is because of client/tech limitations. It's also not my interpretation, it's the stated purpose of the server.

I lurk these forums a lot, and always knew you were not very smart just from your post history, but Jesus man, seriously? You post here as if it were your job, so shouldn't you at least put in a modicum of effort at it?

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway I'm out of this discussion. I really think I need to delete my forum account and stop wasting time here.

<3 loraen

plz don't, you're a voice of reason around here, this board has a bad enough signal:noise ratio as it is.

[Bantam 1]

Alarti -

Ele is fighting for the stated purpose of the server. Agree or disagree; it really doesn't matter since that's what this particular server is about.

I think that's what you're missing. This isn't a matter of "should". They should fix rangers too and add AA's... but they won't. They aren't making a BETTER Everquest experience they are trying to relive the original.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"As classic as possible" is because of client/tech limitations. It's also not my interpretation, it's the stated purpose of the server.

I lurk these forums a lot, and always knew you were not very smart just from your post history, but Jesus man, seriously? You post here as if it were your job, so shouldn't you at least put in a modicum of effort at it?

LOL.... This ^^ is what happens when you run out of intelligible arguments.

"The mission of the project is to create the classic feeling that many had during the early days of Everquest during those time periods, starting with Classic content and releasing the other expansions and content on a similar timeline that was experienced on Live."

I bet many people didn't experience classic content with Soulfire raids

[Kinsawt]

They are trying to make a 100% classical server within reason, exceptions being made for overpowered bugs/abuse of mechanics.

You couldn't levitate in Sky here, you could in classic. That isn't something that is technically/mechanically out of their league. But levitating in Sky allows you to abuse the intent of the zone.

You couldn't use the level 56 rez bug here to power level characters to 60. All that took was a 56 cleric and someone with harmony.

You can't give pets no-drop weapons.

You can't give NPC's weapons to use.

All of these were "classic" and easily implemented/removed, so are many others, but they were changed in order to give some legitimacy to the raid scene of the server. The same way they nerfed Mage pets once guilds started sending 30 mages up to Plane of Sky, the way they already nerfed DA agro although that was a Velious change, the way they nerfed Ivandyr's hoops; this kind of action isn't unprecedented on this server.

IB just happens to fall in the same boat as TMO on this issue, we want content to be hard, not trivialized by killing a lvl 52 mob in Freeport, or having 15 lvl 46 clerics running a 1.2 second CH cycle.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Bantam 1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti -

Ele is fighting for the stated purpose of the server. Agree or disagree; it really doesn't matter since that's what this particular server is about.

I think that's what you're missing. This isn't a matter of "should". They should fix rangers too and add AA's... but they won't. They aren't making a BETTER Everquest experience they are trying to relive the original.

Like all things in life very little is black and white. I think ele is fighting for his opinion of what the server should be. In large part his opinion matches with the Dev team. I also thing the dev team must disagree with him in some regard for non-classic mechanics like Variance, and FTE shouts to become active.