Request for Staff Confirmation on EXP

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How on earth does a simple question on a forum get you so wound up? It's a 20 year old video game on an emulated server, you should take a deep breath every now and then.

What? Punching away at my phone for 60 seconds now and then who im shitting or waiting for some water or boil makes me "wound up"?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? Punching away at my phone for 60 seconds now and then who im shitting or waiting for some water or boil makes me "wound up"?

Based on your general tone and demeanor yes lol

[Videri]

If you read it in a calm and rational voice, what he said is not bad.

We all expect ruthless snarling (because it’s so common here), but some of it is in the reader’s interpretation.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really, this is what eq and p99blue have always tended to be. Most groups are SHIT. Do the math; it's not wrong. Full groups just tend to be very inefficient.

A few of them are fantastic. Like 5% of them. The rest of the time soloing with an appropriate class or a good duo/trio is miles ahead of a full group.

I regularly solod my clerics on blue for a reason. And it wasn't because I'm antisocial.

My sham on green solos a -1 or even-level mob every 2 minutes or so. Do you think a full group is going to kill a high blue or even every 15 seconds nonstop for hours on end? Fuck no they won't. They won't kill a yellow every 20 seconds for hours on end either. Full groups are a fun experience with the right players in the right locations. But they're rarely the best exp option.

Sorry, meant to respond to this earlier. Are you saying this because you’re saying it won’t be possible if the spawn rates are normal or are you saying this because you don’t think a group without gear is capable of this?

If the latter, have you been grouping at all? Every group I’ve been in has been chain pulling constantly (even when the spawn rate was increased). This includes pulling reds and yellows as soon as they spawn. Heck, we were chain clearing orcs in CB a couple hours ago without a tank as a bunch of level 7s, including taking down the Orc Trainer using two Enchanter pets and barely anything else lol. When the spawn rate was increased, every group I’ve been in has been constantly chain pulling without stopping and without issue.

[Natewest1987]

Originally Posted by zaneosak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So this depends on what mobs you were killing, I mean what levels. If you are killing BLUEs at low level in groups it's really bad XP, I mean like REAL BAD. The mob XP is based on the mobs level, period. Level 4 mobs in a group of all level 5s, is gonna be really bad XP. This rule is 10 fold for low level groups. If you're grouping any levels before like 15 or 20, you should be killing yellows/whites if possible. It's night and day different.

Just using your example though. If you have 6 halflings, 2 rogue 2 druid 2 cleric killing level 4 bats at level 5 (in a 75 ZEM zone like Misty) it's gonna be 234 bats to ding if you did the entirety of level 5.
If you killed level 5 bats instead of level 4 bats, your number of kills to ding is 149, also 100 less. If you're mobbing down yellow cons of level 6 instead, 104 kills to ding.

Just showing you how XP is all a numbers game and at low levels, grouping can be detrimental, if you're killing mobs in a group you could solo, the XP values should be almost noticeably bad.

The major takeaway is "blue" does not mean good XP. It's all about the level of the mob, which we obviously don't always know.

I don’t think I’ll ever look at EQ the same, and now I wish I could go back to Friday lol

[Trollhide]

Group xp in EQ was always butts compared to solo xp. It's classic.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, meant to respond to this earlier. Are you saying this because you’re saying it won’t be possible if the spawn rates are normal or are you saying this because you don’t think a group without gear is capable of this?

If the latter, have you been grouping at all? Every group I’ve been in has been chain pulling constantly (even when the spawn rate was increased). This includes pulling reds and yellows as soon as they spawn. Heck, we were chain clearing orcs in CB a couple hours ago without a tank as a bunch of level 7s, including taking down the Orc Trainer using two Enchanter pets and barely anything else lol. When the spawn rate was increased, every group I’ve been in has been constantly chain pulling without stopping and without issue.

I was saying most group exp is crap because that has been my experience across hundreds of groups and a decade of p99 on both blue and green. Red group exp only was worth it because of a crazy huge exp bonus in groups.

I sincerely doubt the all groups you've been in were legitimately chain pulling yellows and reds.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

including taking down the Orc Trainer using two Enchanter pets and barely anything else lol..

It's cool killing tough stuff. But this line supports the argument that your group(s) have been inefficient. Killing a mob with 2 pets is quite plainly not going to earn a lot of exp for a group of 6. It's just not enough dps. Even if you have actually chain pulled in every group you've been in, if you're killing stuff slowly because your group is too light on damage, it's still gonna be crappy exp.

[Jimjam]

I was in an 'asp hill' (didn't even know that was a thing!) group in ec with a few pet classes and we were constantly killing red to me mobs.

It was a bit of a nightmare pulling tbh, even with selos mobs were managing to hit me when i pulled. It seems the server was not doing a great job of keeping everyone's /loc up to date.

[Kanuvan]

class penalties are a bitch

[Rooj]

I recall on live people intentionally not grouping until around level 10 because it wasn't worth it, and then you'd try to join a low teens group.