A Bard's Tale

[cs616]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are the jack of all trades but master of none. Meaning they aren't GREAT at anything. They do shitty dps, they have shitty regens, and they have half assed mezes and lulls. Having a bard is like adding tape to something not entirely finished, they are fillers for a slot when nothing else is available. Again I have nothing against them, if I'm missing something, and a bard is available, I'd take him over nothing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Now as for a ranger.......

You sir are woefully misinformed.

[Flamewraith]

It could just be bad luck that I have never been in group with a good bard, but I have NEVER been in a group with a bard where I have said "wow that is a mean fucking bard." Or "I don't think we would have survived that without the bard." The very sad thing is that I HAVE been in a group with a ranger where I HAVE said "Wow that was a mean ass ranger." And I consider rangers to be leagues below bards. As for bards in raids yell fucking yea they are nice in raids, I said grouping, didn't say anything about raids.

[xCry0x]

Druids looking to quad in OT have a right to complain because there are not a ton of other options .. plus I like druids there so I can hammer & get a port quickly.

Everyone else is more or less choosing to group in a zone that bards are known to kite in and then complaining about it. If all the people grouping in OT moved to lguk they would get better exp and have a chance at items dropping.. but hey, lets sit in OT and complain about bards.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for bards in raids yell fucking yea they are nice in raids, I said grouping, didn't say anything about raids.

Oh whoops, I was looking at your second post in which you talk about our shitty regens, etc. That post doesn't mention anything about groups or raids.

My bad, my bad.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It could just be bad luck that I have never been in group with a good bard, but I have NEVER been in a group with a bard where I have said "wow that is a mean fucking bard." Or "I don't think we would have survived that without the bard." The very sad thing is that I HAVE been in a group with a ranger where I HAVE said "Wow that was a mean ass ranger." And I consider rangers to be leagues below bards. As for bards in raids yell fucking yea they are nice in raids, I said grouping, didn't say anything about raids.

Good bards know how to pull, twist multiple songs & cc.

Bad bards sit and sing mana song/catana & sometimes cc... basically a gimp enchanter.

Horrible bards sit and do shitty mele dps while singing haste and then afking with haste up while everyone is afk medding.

[Flamewraith]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh whoops, I was looking at your second post in which you talk about our shitty regens, etc. That post doesn't mention anything about groups or raids.

My bad, my bad.

No problem I can see how you would get mixed up, in all I appreciate bards and I'm not saying it's a bad class, but almost anything a bard can do a specialist class can do better. They are a nice back up if a specialist is not available though.

[Flamewraith]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good bards know how to pull, twist multiple songs & cc.

Bad bards sit and sing mana song/catana & sometimes cc... basically a gimp enchanter.

Horrible bards sit and do shitty mele dps while singing haste and then afking with haste up while everyone is afk medding.

I'm usually stuck with the bad bard.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone else is more or less choosing to group in a zone that bards are known to kite in and then complaining about it. If all the people grouping in OT moved to lguk they would get better exp and have a chance at items dropping.. but hey, lets sit in OT and complain about bards.

Wrong, bards are choosing to kite in a zone that people group in.

[zanderklocke]

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This is me hanging out after killing some dragons and stuff.

Notice the singing steel breastplate, mystic koada`dal greaves, and rubicite boots. One of my cleric buddies loaned me some vambraces too.

[A1551]

A well played bard is ridiculous in groups..and thats coming from an enchanter who does most of the important things they do much better (and MUCH easier omg do I have respect for a well played bard). Anyone saying otherwise probably hasn't grouped with a competent bard, or didn't realize just how much the bard was doing. Which isn't that surprising, its hard as hell (busy, busy,busy) to play well in a group as a bard, and they level so easily solo that you rarely see them leveling in groups..and you end up with level 50 bards who basically did nothing but AE and don't know crap about actually playing their class.

It was rare that I ever got to level with a bard in a dungeon coming up on my enchanter, but they're ridiculous pullers, they're good cc, theyre good dps in many situations (as someone mentioned a good bard is charming the second mob in camp and using it to dps with), they fill in almost any gap your group might have, and they can substantially reduce downtime (that stacks with clarity/regen!). What's not to love?

I don't have the patience for all that twisting while running around chasing mobs, switching weapons/instruments constantly, having to do every job in the group that is otherwise missing, etc -- I really have nothing but the utmost respect for a well-played bard. The reason I personally wish AE kiting didin't work here for bards is I think it would drive a lot more bards into leveling in dungeons and knowing how to actually fight in a dungeon, which would be good for pickup groups everywhere :P