Velious Variance Discussion:

[Nirgon]

Some people have this medical disability where they come after an entire guild instead of members directly responsible.

TMO TMO TMO TMO on repeat or IB IB IB IB .

You do realize that maybe one or two people are the cause of all these nasty little corruption problems and the rest of them just show up when the batphone goes off with absolutely 0 dealings in suspicious or server subversion activities.

Learn to focus your blame and single out problematic individuals and maybe you can get something done. Saying every member (including newly tagged people) of entire guilds are scumbag, corrupting overlords just makes 0 sense.

[falkun]

Yes Halmir, the slow expansion release schedule will compress the high end. Non-Classic mechanics are getting in the way of allowing the Server's players to police themselves, as Server Staff have admitted they would prefer.

[kotton05]

keep variance, add a pre variance, end of story

[Nirgon]

Remove FTP rule, replace with most damage done rule

Remove variance

Let Sirken sort out important, solvable matters like corpses lost, new player disputes (read: player retention is a good thing), investigating and catching RMTers or enforcing the naming policy.

Being a "who hit the mob first" janitor is far beneath his skills as a friendly face that is determined to do good in Norrath.

[Mehrk]

Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just for clarification/the record that includes myself. NOBODY should have any say whatsoever. The rules should be as they were, and that should be the end of the story. Any modifications for any purpose, and you're not playing on a server attempting to emulate classic EverQuest.

Because as we all know Verant was perfect and did no wrong. People want to relive EQ nostalgia, not relive EQ raid drama. Everyone has memories of naked PoF corpse runs, that doesn't mean I want to sit there for 4 hours trying to get my corpse back because I did it 14 years ago and have a memory of it.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that maybe one or two people are the cause of all these nasty little corruption problems and the rest of them just show up when the batphone goes off with absolutely 0 dealings in suspicious or server subversion activities.

They are though. They don't have the nuts to up and leave the guild and instead sit there wading through the hate that the entire server has for them due to a few member's actions simply for pieces of loot. That is reason enough to hate them, isn't it? It's like casting no blame on loyal soldiers for allowing something like the holocaust to happen.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remove FTP rule, replace with most damage done rule

Remove variance

This would be the worst possible thing that anyone could ever do in any game ever regarding raid mobs. Every single contested encounter would devolve into absolutely nothing but one side trying to drop aggro on opposing dps/glitch the boss/abuse screwy pathing/hoarding players/bring stupidly massive raids etc etc etc. It would solve nothing and simply create a community where everyone hates everyone.


All I've learned from this thread is that..

1) - You can throw a rock in any direction and come up with a different end-all be-all solution to raiding.

2) - Rewording the title of a Ron White comedy special makes you some kind of great philosopher.

[falkun]

Some people do enjoy naked PoF corpse runs. If you ever get in that type of bind, let me know and I'll single-handedly get you CRed (I will not provide rezzing or getting you to fear, but I'll drop your body at the fear zone in solo assuming CT isn't up).

I too wish the reasonable majority Xasten talks about would speak up.

Straight Classic. Then we have nothing to blame but ourselves for the shitty raid scene.

[Nirgon]

Yeah dropping aggro and all that is so much of a regression from using key board macros and duct tape to hit Venril Sathir first.

Engaging a raid mob with the intentions of being fucking screwballs and acting stupid should result in deaths and people getting wiped (exactly what no aggro on a healed tank will do).

Sounds classic to me.

Go fizzle some ice comets big Mehrk. How dare you sir.

[Tiddlywinks]

Originally Posted by Mehrk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because as we all know Verant was perfect and did no wrong. People want to relive EQ nostalgia, not relive EQ raid drama. Everyone has memories of naked PoF corpse runs, that doesn't mean I want to sit there for 4 hours trying to get my corpse back because I did it 14 years ago and have a memory of it.

Then don't? Nobody is forcing you to do anything you don't want to do. This server shouldn't be catering to what players do and don't want to do. It should be creating a classic EverQuest environment. That is what it's stated purpose was, and indeed what most of the people who play here assume was going to be the case.

They leveled up, realized that's not how things actually work and either left or adapated.

[Mehrk]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah dropping aggro and all that is so much of a regression from using key board macros and duct tape to hit Venril Sathir first.

Engaging a raid mob with the intentions of being fucking screwballs and acting stupid should result in deaths and people getting wiped (exactly what no aggro on a healed tank will do).

Sounds classic to me.

Go fizzle some ice comets big Mehrk. How dare you sir.

The only problem you are describing is the GMs lack of punishing people that deserve it. Instead of dealing with the only real problem that p99 has you think the GMs should be off doing menial tasks like enforcing the naming policy(by the way, is that guy named Cannabis, which is the EXACT name mentioned in Rogean's no-no name example still level 60?)

Does it sound classic for GMs to let people zerg mobs while attempting to grief each other with absolutely no interventions? Certainly not in any case I recall.

Originally Posted by Tiddlywinks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then don't?

I'm not? I've never joined a guild or raided in the 2~ish years I've played here, and I don't really log on anymore. See I want to relive EQ1 raid nostalgia and have fun but the way it's handled by the players is so god-awful that I choose to do something that isn't... what's the word... completely fucking terrible.

Btw, thanks for the offer Falkun.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Remove on Velious release.