Question about classic EQ progression!

[trustandfall]

Classic
- Note, Planes were added via patch, with Sky being released last. As a result, true progression would mean working through Fear and Hate first, with Sky being the last content that was released before Kunark. I'd also like to add that if I'm not mistaken Fear and Hate were both reworked. I'm curious as to what mobs were and were not in the game in their original release. Was the Maestro of Rancor even in the original PoH? Was CT/Inny in the game? I've heard no mention of them as "original everquest raid mobs", only Naggy, Vox and Phinny, with occasional mention of Avatar of Fear.

Tier 1) Phinigel Autropos
Tier 2) Lady Vox, Lord Nagafen
Tier 3) Plane of Sky
Tier 4) Plane of Fear - Cazic Thule
Tier 5) Plane of Hate - Maestro of Rancor
Tier 6) Plane of Hate - Innoruuk

Kunark

Tier 1) Chardok Royals
Dreadlands - Gorenaire
Emerald Jungle - Severilous
Karnor's Castle - Venril Sathir
Old Sebilis - Trakanon
Skyfire Mountains - Talendor
Timorous Deep - Faydedar

Tier 2) Veeshan's Peak

Velious

Tier 1) Dragon Necropolis - Zlandicar
Icewell Keep: Dain Frostreaver IV
Kael Drakkel: Derakor the Vindicator
Kael Drakkel: King Tormax
Plane of Growth: Tunare
Skyshrine: Lord Yelinak
Sleeper's Tomb
Temple of Veeshan: Halls of Testing
Temple of Veeshan: West Wing
Velketor's Labyrinth: Velketor the Sorcerer
Wakening Land: Wuoshi
Western Wastes: Klandicar
Western Wastes: Sontalak

Tier 2) Kael Drakkel: The Avatar of War
Temple of Veeshan: North Wing

Tier 3) Plane of Mischief: Bristlebane

Luclin

Tier 1) Akheva Ruins: The Itraer Vius

Tier 2) Acrylia Caverns: Khati Sha the Twisted
Akheva Ruins: Shei Vinitras
Grieg's End: Grieg Veneficus
Akheva Ruins: The Insanity Crawler
Ssraeshza Temple: Arch Lich Rhag`Zadune
Ssraeshza Temple: High Priest of Ssraeshza
Umbral Plains: Rumblecrush
Umbral Plains: Doomshade

Tier 3) Sanctus Seru: Lord Inquisitor Seru
Ssraeshza Temple: Emperor Ssraeshza
Ssraeshza Temple: Vyzh`dra the Cursed
Ssraeshza Temple: Xerkizh The Creator

Tier 4) Vex Thal

Planes of Power

Tier 1) Planes of Power: Xanamech Nezmirthafen

Tier 2) Planes of Power: Aerin`Dar
Planes of Power: Grummus
Planes of Power: Manaetic Behemoth
Planes of Power: Rydda`Dar
Planes of Power: Saryrn
Planes of Power: Sol Ro Tower - Arlyxir
Planes of Power: Sol Ro Tower - Jiva
Planes of Power: Sol Ro Tower - Rizlona
Planes of Power: Sol Ro Tower - The Protector of Dresolik
Planes of Power: Sol Ro Tower - Xuzl
Planes of Power: Tallon Zek
Planes of Power: Terris Thule
Planes of Power: The Seventh Hammer
Planes of Power: Vallon Zek

Tier 3) Planes of Power: Agnarr the Storm Lord
Planes of Power: Bertoxxulous
Planes of Power: Mithaniel Marr
Planes of Power: Rallos Zek
Planes of Power: Solusek Ro

Tier 4) Planes of Power: Plane of Air
Planes of Power: Plane of Earth and Plane of Earth B
Planes of Power: Plane of Fire
Planes of Power: Plane of Water

Tier 5) Plane of Time B


What do you guys think? Does this look right?

[SamwiseRed]

wall of slaughter? isnt that post PoP (like discord or something)

[trustandfall]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wall of slaughter? isnt that post PoP (like discord or something)

I'm 99.9% positive it is, as I played EQ from Velious-POP in an end game raiding guild and had never even heard of it.

As such, I expect I'll leave it out entirely, but on the Zam page it was in the mix of Luclin/PoP content, so I was curious. How's the rest of it look? Close to correct?

[kylok]

I don't have a citeable source for this but if you take my word for it....
I played with someone who beta tested and played hardcore through at least omens of war i want to say... they testify that fear was most definitely the first plane - and that in fact back in the day the trash in fear was group killable content (there was even talk of druids soloing in fear). Unfortunately I have no dates for you and I'm just going off of my memory.

[Thulack]

Wall of Slaughter is from Omens of War Xpac. Few Xpac after PoP.

[trustandfall]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have a citeable source for this but if you take my word for it....
I played with someone who beta tested and played hardcore through at least omens of war i want to say... they testify that fear was most definitely the first plane - and that in fact back in the day the trash in fear was group killable content (there was even talk of druids soloing in fear). Unfortunately I have no dates for you and I'm just going off of my memory.

Credible with other sources of info I've found. The above "order" of targets is basically the actual progression as far as difficulty. For instance, under the classic section, I'm assuming that this was just before Kunark was released, with all 3 planes being available. Supposedly, from the ZAM page, Sky is the easiest of the 3, and thus I placed it just after Naggy/Vox, and before Fear/Hate.

[trustandfall]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wall of Slaughter is from Omens of War Xpac. Few Xpac after PoP.

Thanks for the info! Editing list to erase mention of it.

[kylok]

Wall of Slaughter was Omens of War

[Ele]

Tier 3) Plane of Mischief: Bristlebane

wtf? did they buff him up in PoM revamp? Irontaail solo'd him in original PoM

[trustandfall]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tier 3) Plane of Mischief: Bristlebane

wtf? did they buff him up in PoM revamp? Irontaail solo'd him in original PoM

This is actually the kind of info I'm looking for! You saying this leads me to believe he was indeed revamped, meaning that in era correct context he is probably not harder than NToV. Knowing this for sure from a very old vet would help me have a better idea of where this target should be placed as far as true era specific progression is concerned.

On ZAM, he is listed as a 5th tier encounter comparable to Vex Thal and entry-level PoP raid encounters. O.o