The idea that will save the server(for u fecal)

[klant]

nah the pvp boards didn't come around until the pvp servers merged. If you want to give me loot, I'm currently accepting dru/rog stuff (msg me on the forums). I wouldnt mind attempting a raid at 4am if it means more even numbers pvp. and my work schedule doesn't match up with a Sunday funday.

[klant]

Originally Posted by Malevz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What people are asking for is mobs on times where they won't have competition, because they don't want to pvp for them.

No man, we love competition. Just because you guys have a rough time 30v18 doesn't make it competition. Just saying if something did happen to spawn at 4am, the numbers would actually be much closer to being even.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by klant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No man, we love competition. Just because you guys have a rough time 30v18 doesn't make it competition. Just saying if something did happen to spawn at 4am, the numbers would actually be much closer to being even.

ya like those CT wars we had a couple months ago.... o wait we still fielded like 30+ @4am

[Something'Witty]

As someone who is uniquely neutral with regards to this topic (I am not affiliated with any major guild on the server), I see y'alls discussion of variance has degenerated into a mostly partisan forumquest kerfuffle.

As I see it, Nihilum members don't want variance because it makes their PvE lives tougher (e.g., scouting mobs, lessened ability to schedule raids / more reliant on bat phone, and introduction of poopsocking).

Non-Nihilum members (minus Nirgon...) want variance because it introduces the possibility of sniping mobs during non peak Nihilum raiding hours, it might result in fewer Nihilum members showing up when a mob does spawn (i.e., exact raid times can't be planned out in advance), and it generally makes Nihilum work harder for pixels.

Personally, I don't think variance will increase PvP, I mean currently you know exactly when and where raids will be occurring, if you want to PvP just show up. However, if Nihilum takes a huge hit in member raid attendance, then the opposition might stand more of a chance. Regardless, this doesn't equate to more PvP, it just increases the opposition's chance of winning.


TL;DR - Nihilum members say "variance is bad because it will make us work more," Anti-Nihilum caucus says "variance is good cause it will make Nihilum work more," and I say it won't increase PvP.


P.S. I am still undecided on the issue because no one has really made a compelling argument one way or the other. Maybe a compromise, introduce variance, but with shorter windows (e.g., 6 hours instead of 12).

[nilbog]

Couldn't you make it a server raid of all guilds versus Nihilum? Everyone vs them, divide loots between present guilds, or once opposition down, kill each other.

Do that a few times and things may change.

Or I am not understanding?

[juicedsixfo]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

divide loots between present guilds

sounds like something that would go smoothly

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Couldn't you make it a server raid of all guilds versus Nihilum? Everyone vs them, divide loots between present guilds, or once opposition down, kill each other.

Do that a few times and things may change.

Or I am not understanding?

Refer to Mar-April for that. Nilly got scared, showered people with pixels and the resistance had defectors. More weak souls joined Nilly, then server reset at noon on a Tuesday and Nilly had the most unemployed people so they cleared it and have kept it down and recruited the rest of the server ever since. Of the lvl 52+ pop I would say its 75% Nilly and they like it because they are afraid of not getting pixels. New players keep joining Nilly rather than fighting and the cycles continues. Last night they had 34 people in Sky while the other guilds had two groups of in lvl people.

Don't take this the wrong way, my playstyle is more Chewie esque these days (log on gank log off) but how are you guys in Nilly not bored by now?

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or once opposition down, kill each other.

[Something'Witty]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Couldn't you make it a server raid of all guilds versus Nihilum? Everyone vs them, divide loots between present guilds, or once opposition down, kill each other.

Do that a few times and things may change.

Or I am not understanding?

^^^

[Kraftwerk]

I think in total only 5 people have ever left Nilly. Mellow, Tehruoh, Zozo, Kayleah and Stasis. Tehruoh and Kayleah begged back in on hands and knees. They would never fight each other. It's like the Borg at this point.