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Uaellaen · #1 07-26-2010, 08:47 PM

the rules have been agreed on by remedy, transcendence, divinity, inglorious basterds ... WI was not even created when we made those rules ...

Zefiris · #2 07-26-2010, 09:49 PM

If I am not mistaken there are now a couple other guilds looking to enter the raid scene. Pretty sure the Big 4 never expected to maintain control of a monopoly on the raid targets so maybe now would be a good time to hold another pow wow of the leaders and reestablish/change/redistribute the player based rule set?

Agaron · #3 07-26-2010, 10:00 PM

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the rules have been agreed on by remedy, transcendence, divinity, inglorious basterds ... WI was not even created when we made those rules ...

Cool, but that doesn't take away from the fact that GM's enforce those player rules. That needs to go away.

**nilbog** · #4 07-26-2010, 10:35 PM

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Cool, but that doesn't take away from the fact that GM's enforce those player rules. That needs to go away.

Who are you referring to ? Give examples of GMs enforcing player-made rules. Do it here, or privately to me.

Humerox · #5 07-26-2010, 10:56 PM

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Who are you referring to ? Give examples of GMs enforcing player-made rules. Do it here, or privately to me.

I officially give up, lol.

If player-driven rules aren't enforced, and we as players can't fix the state the server is in with some assurance that what efforts we put into are worth-while, then it doesn't matter anyway, right? That means all that goblledy**** we went through several months ago was meaningless. It means all the desire to make changes as players -and attempting to find a solution as players - is meaningless.

Cuz I can say this...end-game here is being destroyed by what's happened. It used to be fun, and competitive. Now it's neither. And all anybody is doing about it is arguing.

Well...I still love the game. I'm glad you guys have put all the effort into that you have. I'm sad to see what's happened.

But it seems that's the way it is.

Abacab2 · #6 07-26-2010, 10:56 PM

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Who are you referring to ? Give examples of GMs enforcing player-made rules. Do it here, or privately to me.

*Engaging with 15 people

*Calling a timer and no leapfrogging

*Killing and clearing planes before engage

*Dictating targets if two raid mobs are up

*Special rules of engagement

Nizzarr among others back in the day adopted those rules through guild meetings which are player rules, those things I listed above if broke will warrant GM enforcement in the form of bans all around.

All of those things above are player rules that were adopted and skewed into server rules due to the consensus of two end game guilds?

Spirell · #7 07-26-2010, 11:02 PM

Just as a completely random WI guild member's take on this...

I honestly didn't know what Ektar was talking about, and that is why I didn't respond in shout until one of the officers told me too. He just did a shout that just said "roll call". I wasn't sure if that was a roll call for a raid mob, or the German translation from "camp check" (there were 2 responses of "royals" and "bnb" to that roll call btw, so I wasn't the only one confused)

I appreciate that IB was cool about it and informed us that it is usually done that waym (but FYI they did call a 30 minute timer on us right after we responded, so not like they were letting us slide). I guess I was looking for a little more than just "roll call" in shout.. maybe like a "Roll call for naggy spawn" or "roll call check on WI" or "IB initiating a 60 second roll call check on WI" or something with a little more information. As it was it was a non-issue, and no other guild was in zone with 15 plus, so I am perplexed as to why this thread started in the first place. If anything this was only an issue between IB and WI.

HeallunRumblebelly · #8 07-27-2010, 12:41 AM

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Who are you referring to ? Give examples of GMs enforcing player-made rules. Do it here, or privately to me.

Back when Fish Bait existed, Draco spawned...

Transcendance had first 15, was clearing, and got first engage on draco. IB had second 15. FB had third. Trans was fighting Draco, it was getting close (a wipe may or may not have happened, uncertain), IB was waiting for them to finish one way or another when FB came in, got the kill, looted and scooted. FB had a few members suspended (might've been salty? and someone, uncertain, you'd hafta ask them) and the loot was removed.

A few weeks back, DA / IB were contesting a CT. IB called 50 minutes? on the two golems. IB waited their 50 minutes and managed to get the 2 golems. IB let DA have draco as per rules. IB was finishing up the trash clear when DA ran in on CT, burnt him down, looted and scooted. Apparently CT summon was (is?) only summoning 1 mob every 3 seconds, instead of all at once, making his summon a joke (with 40 players on a 32k hp mob, anyway). DA had loot removed and a few members suspended (I believe Durison was one of them).

A few quick examples for you Nilbog. On a side note: Is the CT summon fixed yet? he's simply not that dangerous in his current form.

HeallunRumblebelly · #9 07-27-2010, 12:48 AM

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Back when Fish Bait existed, Draco spawned...

Transcendance had first 15, was clearing, and got first engage on draco. IB had second 15. FB had third. Trans was fighting Draco, it was getting close (a wipe may or may not have happened, uncertain), IB was waiting for them to finish one way or another when FB came in, got the kill, looted and scooted. FB had a few members suspended (might've been salty? and someone, uncertain, you'd hafta ask them) and the loot was removed.

A few weeks back, DA / IB were contesting a CT. IB called 50 minutes? on the two golems. IB waited their 50 minutes and managed to get the 2 golems. IB let DA have draco as per rules. IB was finishing up the trash clear when DA ran in on CT, burnt him down, looted and scooted. Apparently CT summon was (is?) only summoning 1 mob every 3 seconds, instead of all at once, making his summon a joke (with 40 players on a 32k hp mob, anyway). DA had loot removed and a few members suspended (I believe Durison was one of them).

A few quick examples for you Nilbog. On a side note: Is the CT summon fixed yet? he's simply not that dangerous in his current form.

I believe in both these instances the petitions were handled by Xzerion.

Hasbinbad · #10 07-27-2010, 12:57 AM

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A few weeks back, DA / IB were contesting a CT. IB called 50 minutes? on the two golems. IB waited their 50 minutes and managed to get the 2 golems. IB let DA have draco as per rules. IB was finishing up the trash clear when DA ran in on CT, burnt him down, looted and scooted. Apparently CT summon was (is?) only summoning 1 mob every 3 seconds, instead of all at once, making his summon a joke (with 40 players on a 32k hp mob, anyway). DA had loot removed and a few members suspended (I believe Durison was one of them).

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I believe in both these instances the petitions were handled by Xzerion.

Xzerion hasn't been a GM for months.. How could he have handled a petition a couple weeks ago?