Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exploiting a broken game mechanic that has been bug reported is relevant to this discussion how?

Exploiting mob aggro to kill other people I guarantee was never a game mechanic that the developers intended people to use. Also exploiting other mechanics such as rez boxes and FD to drop aggro on other people. It's kinda funny you seem ok with those...but have issue with dispelling. When people say get rid of training you scream "No CSR" and trains was classic...yet when you guys first dispell people then get it returned to you...You guys seek CSR support under the guise of "Broken mechanic".

Wasn't most of the arguments in this very thread saying trains would cause petitions for GMs in a no CSR zone as one of the reasons it was allowed ? Yet you petitioned in the same zone. The Irony is strong.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exploiting mob aggro to kill other people I guarantee was never a game mechanic that the developers intended people to use. Also exploiting other mechanics such as rez boxes and FD to drop aggro on other people. It's kinda funny you seem ok with those...but have issue with dispelling. When people say get rid of training you scream "No CSR" and trains was classic...yet when you guys first dispell people then get it returned to you...You guys seek CSR support under the guise of "Broken mechanic".

Wasn't most of the arguments in this very thread saying trains would cause petitions for GMs in a no CSR zone as one of the reasons it was allowed ? Yet you petitioned in the same zone. The Irony is strong.

Is dispel currently working as intended? Is FD currently working as intended?

Remove that foot from your mouth. FD is not a known bug. Casting a dispel on someone out of group is. GM's say training in VP is legal, GM's say exploiting bugs are not legal.

This isn't really that difficult. Why is it so hard for you?

You need to seriously step up your thought processes if we are ever going to get married. I can't accept you as you are.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is dispel currently working as intended? Is FD currently working as intended?

Remove that foot from your mouth. FD is not a known bug. Casting a dispel on someone out of group is. GM's say training in VP is legal, GM's say exploiting bugs are not legal.

This isn't really that difficult. Why is it so hard for you?

You need to seriously step up your thought processes if we are ever going to get married. I can't accept you as you are.

Remove your foot from your mouth first genius. You and others took the stance that the zone was No-CSR and that training being banned would cause extra petitions. Yet watching Tiggles streams you were the guys complaining about people "Training to grief". Yet you defend it. Your guildies first dispelled people in VP and it got returned to them after Xerxes called out in Vent that he was getting dispelled by one of your members. What did you do ? Immediately petitioned it. Huge Irony there. Something you don't feel should be in VP and that you can't control with numbers...You petitionquest..Even after your guild were the ones doing it first.

It's kinda funny to watch your spin on everything Alarti. How you really can't see how big a Hypocritical windbag you are is beyond comprehension. =)

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remove your foot from your mouth first genius. You and others took the stance that the zone was No-CSR and that training being banned would cause extra petitions. Yet watching Tiggles streams you were the guys complaining about people "Training to grief". Yet you defend it. Your guildies first dispelled people in VP and it got returned to them after Xerxes called out in Vent that he was getting dispelled by one of your members. What did you do ? Immediately petitioned it. Huge Irony there. Something you don't feel should be in VP and that you can't control with numbers...You petitionquest..Even after your guild were the ones doing it first.

It's kinda funny to watch your spin on everything Alarti. How you really can't see how big a Hypocritical windbag you are is beyond comprehension. =)

LOL... A whole lot of accusations there..... a whole lot of Proving needed. We defend training if you attempt a raid mob... but training with no intention to raid is lame. Its legal sure but just lame. Guess you got confused on the differences there(I'm not really surprised). Who dispelled first the FE or the TMO? You say FE I can say TMO. Either way I don't know the truth and only have hearsay. A wise person wouldn't listen to hearsay.
What I will go off of is actions. TMO petitioned the bug once it was discovered and told its members not to do it. Shinko, Tasslehof and others were all warned not to dispel as it was an exploit.
So keep spinning. TMO will always petition bugs/exploits that aren't working as intended. FE members will always cry when illegal griefing tools are removed. FE has lots of experience with exploits. Remember the Memblur exploit some of your members as VD used for weeks? Oh history how enjoyable you are.

Dispel has nothing to do with VP. Exploiting dispel shouldn't be in any zone. There is a difference between exploits, and training even if you fail to see it.


But, please call factual information "spinning". I do so love when you are mad you are even more illogical than normal.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO will always petition bugs/exploits that aren't working as intended.

LoL'ed

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL... A whole lot of accusations there..... a whole lot of Proving needed. We defend training if you attempt a raid mob... but training with no intention to raid is lame. Its legal sure but just lame. Guess you got confused on the differences there(I'm not really surprised). Who dispelled first the FE or the TMO? You say FE I can say TMO. Either way I don't know the truth and only have hearsay. A wise person wouldn't listen to hearsay.
What I will go off of is actions. TMO petitioned the bug once it was discovered and told its members not to do it. Shinko, Tasslehof and others were all warned not to dispel as it was an exploit.
So keep spinning. TMO will always petition bugs/exploits that aren't working as intended. FE members will always cry when illegal griefing tools are removed. FE has lots of experience with exploits. Remember the Memblur exploit some of your members as VD used for weeks? Oh history how enjoyable you are.

Dispel has nothing to do with VP. Exploiting dispel shouldn't be in any zone. There is a difference between exploits, and training even if you fail to see it.


But, please call factual information "spinning". I do so love when you are mad you are even more illogical than normal.

Who's mad ? I was just yanking your chain for being a hypocrite that blows hot air. Training shouldn't be a part of the game and you know it. If GMs can respond to petitions in VP about one they can the other. Case closed. The No-CSR excuse doesn't work when you have CSR.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who's mad ? I was just yanking your chain for being a hypocrite that blows hot air. Training shouldn't be a part of the game and you know it. If GMs can respond to petitions in VP about one they can the other. Case closed. The No-CSR excuse doesn't work when you have CSR.

Go re read the gm's posts to educate yourself. GM's close cases they see to disagree with you. Derp

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is dispel currently working as intended? Is FD currently working as intended?

Remove that foot from your mouth. FD is not a known bug. Casting a dispel on someone out of group is. GM's say training in VP is legal, GM's say exploiting bugs are not legal.

This isn't really that difficult. Why is it so hard for you?

You need to seriously step up your thought processes if we are ever going to get married. I can't accept you as you are.

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remove your foot from your mouth first genius. You and others took the stance that the zone was No-CSR and that training being banned would cause extra petitions. Yet watching Tiggles streams you were the guys complaining about people "Training to grief". Yet you defend it. Your guildies first dispelled people in VP and it got returned to them after Xerxes called out in Vent that he was getting dispelled by one of your members. What did you do ? Immediately petitioned it. Huge Irony there. Something you don't feel should be in VP and that you can't control with numbers...You petitionquest..Even after your guild were the ones doing it first.

It's kinda funny to watch your spin on everything Alarti. How you really can't see how big a Hypocritical windbag you are is beyond comprehension. =)

"Non-Disputable Zones
Zones deemed Non-Disputable will have no CSR interaction on raid disputes. We will not respond to or take any action on raid disputes involving these zones. Currently the only zone that this applies to is Veeshan's Peak."

Didn't Sirken respond that VP was a no CSR zone and left it at that, so TMO ran to Rogean who then sided with them? That's like mommy said, no so run and ask daddy then.

FYI, cancel magic on players outside of the group was part of classic EQ. It was never a bug, but it was abused. VI later patched it to only effect NPC's and group members.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by doraf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Non-Disputable Zones
Zones deemed Non-Disputable will have no CSR interaction on raid disputes. We will not respond to or take any action on raid disputes involving these zones. Currently the only zone that this applies to is Veeshan's Peak."

Didn't Sirken respond that VP was a no CSR zone and left it at that, so TMO ran to Rogean who then sided with them? That's like mommy said, no so run and ask daddy then.

FYI, cancel magic on players outside of the group was part of classic EQ. It was never a bug, but it was abused. VI later patched it to only effect NPC's and group members.

Outside of group, yes... outside of guild tag.... no [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Outside of group, yes... outside of guild tag.... no [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to go back even earlier than that. At one time you could cast Cancel Magic on any player. One of my best memories in early EQ (minus the minor illusion bug on Felwithe castle) was griefing the hell out of another group in Unrest with it.