Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Tasslehofp99]

380 votes. Damn! I was hoping to hit 100 when I made this post. I'm really kind of shocked how many p99ers wish VP had a classic ruleset yet there seems to be very little recourse for these players other than joining in on the training derpfests or just not raid VP until its fixed.

Just really hope this sanctioned training is done away with before velious is released. Would be a shame for hundreds of players to miss out on VP because of trains. I'm just glad I got to see it a few times and kill a dragon there though.

[Sirken]

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[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VP still provides good loot for alts and some mains, as well as spells. There aren't 100+ mobs in Velious worth killing. Sure there are more, but to say Velious content is enough to keep 1 guild busy with the retarded window times of mobs on this server? No. Edit: Not to mention that mobs with 32k hp will pretty much melt with Velious geared melee and will be easy targets to snipe for good plat.

I don't understand why people think anything inside of VP is going to change when Velious is released.

The best the server could hope for is that TMO decides to stop farming everything in there besides PD. This would free up the remaining 5 dragons for others. Even then though, you have to hope that A) TMO doesn't want to kill them for clickies/toys/alts, B) TMO/people won't train you for the hell of it because crazies like scerix enjoy ruining other players experience so much, C) TMO doesn't want to fuck with you just because they don't like you.

If the stars align, and everything goes right, the rest of the server may have a shot at zoning in and killing some dragons. TMO is never going to stop killing PD though. Her loot is mostly still BiS even after Velious.

The most likely post-Velious scenarios for VP:
1. TMO continues to farm and lockdown everything in the zone.
2. TMO only cares about PD, another guild locks down the other 5 dragons and still 95% of the server is still locked out of VP.

I wouldn't remain too hopeful.

Edit: I think it's worth noting that this is one of the big reasons that rules that allow 1 guild to monopolize content and are clearly un-classic (sanctioned training/variance etc) and a detriment to everyone else who wants to play this game. It's not even TMO's fault. It wasn't IB/TR's fault back in the day earlier. TMO will not be around forever, and when they are gone there will be a new "TMO" for everybody to hate, so long as the rules stay the same.

TMO and IB/TR may have had more than their fair share of assholes and misanthropes, but ultimately it's the rules that are keeping the majority of players from getting to experience content on this server, not the other players. On live there was a knowledge/skill gap, and that simply doesn't apply to the majority of players 14 years after a game has been released.

[Godefroi]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why people think anything inside of VP is going to change when Velious is released.

The best the server could hope for is that TMO decides to stop farming everything in there besides PD. This would free up the remaining 5 dragons for others. Even then though, you have to hope that A) TMO doesn't want to kill them for clickies/toys/alts, B) TMO/people won't train you for the hell of it because crazies like scerix enjoy ruining other players experience so much, C) TMO doesn't want to fuck with you just because they don't like you.

If the stars align, and everything goes right, the rest of the server may have a shot at zoning in and killing some dragons. TMO is never going to stop killing PD though. Her loot is mostly still BiS even after Velious.

The most likely post-Velious scenarios for VP:
1. TMO continues to farm and lockdown everything in the zone.
2. TMO only cares about PD, another guild locks down the other 5 dragons and still 95% of the server is still locked out of VP.

I wouldn't remain too hopeful.

Edit: I think it's worth noting that this is one of the big reasons that rules that allow 1 guild to monopolize content and are clearly un-classic (sanctioned training/variance etc) and a detriment to everyone else who wants to play this game. It's not even TMO's fault. It wasn't IB/TR's fault back in the day earlier. TMO will not be around forever, and when they are gone there will be a new "TMO" for everybody to hate, so long as the rules stay the same.

TMO and IB/TR may have had more than their fair share of assholes and misanthropes, but ultimately it's the rules that are keeping the majority of players from getting to experience content on this server, not the other players. On live there was a knowledge/skill gap, and that simply doesn't apply to the majority of players 14 years after a game has been released.

This.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why people think anything inside of VP is going to change when Velious is released.

The best the server could hope for is that TMO decides to stop farming everything in there besides PD. This would free up the remaining 5 dragons for others. Even then though, you have to hope that A) TMO doesn't want to kill them for clickies/toys/alts, B) TMO/people won't train you for the hell of it because crazies like scerix enjoy ruining other players experience so much, C) TMO doesn't want to fuck with you just because they don't like you.

If the stars align, and everything goes right, the rest of the server may have a shot at zoning in and killing some dragons. TMO is never going to stop killing PD though. Her loot is mostly still BiS even after Velious.

The most likely post-Velious scenarios for VP:
1. TMO continues to farm and lockdown everything in the zone.
2. TMO only cares about PD, another guild locks down the other 5 dragons and still 95% of the server is still locked out of VP.

I wouldn't remain too hopeful.

Edit: I think it's worth noting that this is one of the big reasons that rules that allow 1 guild to monopolize content and are clearly un-classic (sanctioned training/variance etc) and a detriment to everyone else who wants to play this game. It's not even TMO's fault. It wasn't IB/TR's fault back in the day earlier. TMO will not be around forever, and when they are gone there will be a new "TMO" for everybody to hate, so long as the rules stay the same.

TMO and IB/TR may have had more than their fair share of assholes and misanthropes, but ultimately it's the rules that are keeping the majority of players from getting to experience content on this server, not the other players. On live there was a knowledge/skill gap, and that simply doesn't apply to the majority of players 14 years after a game has been released.

Good points.

[Tasslehofp99]

Why not?

[Tasslehofp99]

Fix the server's raiding scene, take out sanctioned training!

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fix the server's raiding scene, take out sanctioned training!

I trained your mom in vp last night!

Deals have been made in the past; training was only allowed because TR wanted it that way, at the time they were top donators.

TMO earned/clawed its way to the top, douchehoff99 is just all about band-wagoning the server vs TMO because hes a cry baby bitch rich kid in RL sick of not getting his way in the elf pixel simulator.

So either move on or get with the program and present a challenge to TMO or petition for a name change and app to join; some how doubt your scummy ass could make it through the app endeavor.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I trained my mom

Deals have been made

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[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I trained your mom in vp last night!

Deals have been made in the past; training was only allowed because TR wanted it that way, at the time they were top donators.

TMO earned/clawed its way to the top, douchehoff99 is just all about band-wagoning the server vs TMO because hes a cry baby bitch rich kid in RL sick of not getting his way in the elf pixel simulator.

So either move on or get with the program and present a challenge to TMO or petition for a name change and app to join; some how doubt your scummy ass could make it through the app endeavor.

Or I just want to fix something that's severely wrong with the raiding scene on p99, lol.