Solutions to the Tunnel Trainer.

[Thorfin]

Originally Posted by Eyry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we just move the Bazaar to GFay?

agreee. I don't know how it was back on other Pre-Kunark servers back in the day but GFay was the hub for trading on the Xegony server.

[Ragefart]

Seriously you people and fuckin classic can go and shove it up your ass, or vaginas fer you ladies, it ain't no secret what is classic on this server is nothin like live. It ain't classic, it ain't classic, btw people classic wasn't perfect, hence the progression to improve what classic didn't offer. Basically by not addressing the issue your taking people who you want to play on this thing and letting some asshole named Abacab who got banned for ninja looting, take his little alts and run trains to tunnel. Pure and simple, either its fixed and dealt with or vag, vag, vag...you want classic? How bout the guy in IB with that spiffy dagger from Mayong Mistmoore, that was never classic, hell that was never fuckin' live, but as we all know look at the treatment IB has gotten compared to the other guilds, preferential is the one hair on my scrotum, cuppin the balls treatment is more like it. Its no secret, it just is, either way this guy don't bother me, he cheated, he's trainin, just like the little ddos hacker from 4 months ago. What I really wanna know is did ya' take all the donations and unban him or really get some protection? Heck not a bad way to make a buck if ya ask me...

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Ragefart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cryyyyyyyyy....

lol. Your comment card is weak.

How bout the guy in IB with that spiffy dagger from Mayong Mistmoore, that was never classic, hell that was never fuckin' live

Here is Fanged Skull Stiletto. Read up on it. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=749

Basically by not addressing the issue your taking people who you want to play on this thing and letting some asshole named Abacab who got banned for ninja looting, take his little alts and run trains to tunnel.

Yeah, by having volunteer guides devote countless hours to trying to stop trains and banning accounts and ips.. we aren't addressing it. Anyways, we are working on it.

but as we all know look at the treatment IB has gotten compared to the other guilds, preferential is the one hair on my scrotum, cuppin the balls treatment is more like it.

IB favoritism? I thought it had shifted to something else by now.

just like the little ddos hacker from 4 months ago. What I really wanna know is did ya' take all the donations and unban him or really get some protection? Heck not a bad way to make a buck if ya ask me...

Haha no, you ungrateful idiot. We put up with a lot of shit just so thousands of people we don't know can play.

[frefaln]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, by having volunteer guides devote countless hours to trying to stop trains and banning accounts and ips.. we aren't addressing it.

Nilbog, I hope you don't misread my tone when I say this: if the above statement is true, there are at least two cases where those "countless hours" could've been reduced to a grand total of 10 minutes. I don't know Abacab personally but it sounds like his situation exploded out of a silly IRC dispute. I know that my situation has grown exponentially due to ignored petitions, one of which could've been a potentially serious one with RL implications.

It's not just Abacab that's been training the crap out of EC and the WFP gate — I've been doing it too. Abacab had nothing to do with Peace Pipe, that was my character (Valero) along with Gagg, Frohike, Machoduck, Suleena, Nightshift, and about a dozen other characters. As far as I know Abacab hasn't trained Driana once, but I've been doing it relentlessly and grabbing Rinna whenever Abacab's not around.

I was going to spill into the history of my scenario, but you know what? It won't make a difference. I know how assumptions work around here. Let's see, there was Emoqq's oh-so-eloquent assumption that schadenfreude was the only motivation. There was Cyrius' (and about 95% of everyone else on here) assumption that I was Abacab, or that either one of us are psychotic children living in our parents' basement. All those knee-jerk assumptions add up to one simple truth: the majority can indeed be flat-out wrong, especially on these forums. It was fun watching people insist on what they thought they knew, when in reality they didn't know squat.

Nilbog, you don't need to devote "countless hours" to stopping trains. You need to spend a few minutes slumming it and actually talking to players. Cyrius has "lifetime banned" me roughly 20 times now, and not once did he even bother to ask, "WTF are you thinking?". Nope, it was always "grats on your lifetime ban sucker" or "I feel sorry for you, pathetic" and then insta-blank screen. I promise you, GMs will not curb trains or griefing with that approach. It especially didn't work with me, given the fact that the whole reason I went off in the first place was b/c two important petitions were ignored for days.

In summary: it doesn't matter if P99 is free or $10/mo or -$10/mo. If the devs/GMs disregard the basic tenets of decency with some players, don't be surprised if those players choose to ignore any expectations of decency in return.

Anyways, we are working on it.

I'll throw in my two cents on this, tho you've probably already accounted for it. As far as I know, Abacab's Rinna pulls were the "traditional" train of cast-and-run. My method was different, I almost always rolled necros. I parked the pets at a specific tree where I knew mobs wouldn't roam, then waited at the tunnel for several minutes before /pet attacking her. She'd warp to me after roughly 30 seconds, and more often than not nobody had a clue who was responsible until I chose to be more deliberate about it.

Why the two cents? Because I'm done with the training and ready to return to my real life. Rejoice, people! Now you'll get some peace and I'll walk away defeated. I think the two main positives that have come out of this are:

1) despite what people might think of Abacab or me, we might have at least perked the ears of the Devs long enough to be heard.

2) it's nice to see how players rally around each other when there's a common enemy. Some of you won't understand this but I guarantee you that — even as I was training Rinna for the 37th time — I liked seeing 95% of the zone actually agree on something, even if it was hatred toward me.

Now if only we could agree that duping and two-boxing are worse sins than training, but that's another topic for another day.

[Kowie]

Originally Posted by frefaln [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now if only we could agree that duping and two-boxing are worse sins than training, but that's another topic for another day.

theyre not. they dont hurt people like what you do

at one time i thought you were cool. i kinda sympathized with you for getting perma banned for training one person who was "killing the newbie guards", now i just think you're a cunt.

people come on here to have fun and you think you have a right to harm people who have done nothing against you?

yeah. youre a cunt.

[Allizia]

I blame IB, especially Glitch

[Tseng]

frefaln, you spend far too much time thinking about this

[frefaln]

Originally Posted by Tseng [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

frefaln, you spend far too much time thinking about this

Heheh, fair enough. But if you think about it, the fact that I waited 15 pages to finally speak up took some restraint on my part.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by frefaln [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heheh, fair enough. But if you think about it, the fact that I waited 15 pages to finally speak up took some restraint on my part.

I thought about it, but thinking longer I think I realize that you are thinking about thinking to much about this thing.

[nilbog]

frefaln:
If you're upset about unanswered petitions, whatever you chose to do wasn't the right approach. Guides and GMs help people when they can, but under no circumstance are they obligated to do so. They are also not required to keep a smile on their face when players are purposely wasting their time. Training, disrupting zones etc; it's annoying to us, but it's primarily having an impact on your fellow players. Training other people and having a guide clean up your mess leads to players not getting unstuck from ladders and walls, not getting guilds created, or telling the 20th person for the day that they need water to regen mana. It's not getting the developer and GM attention you think it is. :T

You are telling me I need to go talk to the players? I do, and the ones that want to talk to me find a way. I'm the lead content developer, and I don't play. Your world is how you choose to play in it. If you choose to be a terrorist, that's your decision. That is NOT how you gain respect from me or anyone else that works here in an official capacity.

I don't know any of those people you mentioned. I know abacab because he is loud, and people made his character more popular than he could have ever become on his own.

If a guide bans you, you go petition to someone higher in power if you want an appeal. Then wait on it to be read and then acted on. That's the best you can do. There's really nothing else we can offer you.

I don't have any feelings one way or another about you or acabab, or anyone else that acts like a terrorist. I'm sure irl we could drink a beer and discuss the finer points of how you think things should be, but that's not the case here. You're not individually important to me.

The time spent killing your comrades.. in the long run, unless you really like doing it, wasn't worth the effort. It took about 30 minutes of discussing alternative plans of how and what we could do to protect the other people. Burning out trying to make your point.. wasn't the right approach because I'm not even sure what you were mad about to begin with.

BTW, I treat duping/hacks or 2boxing as worst crimes you can commit here, so I'm not sure why you think I don't agree.