Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Gustoo]

Teams are a bad dream and your item loot fears are misplaced.

Nihilum would re roll.

Washouts would still wash out. Exp bonus helps no one. Washouts can't deal with 50 plus content they should be pvping at level 12.

[pasi]

I posted this before on FoH and probably have another dozen posts on this subject on these boards. I feel like a huge homo for copy-pasting myself, but I don't feel like typing the same words for the 15th time.

Emulated PvP servers are really fun until there is an obvious winner of the server, and then they die out. This happens on pretty much every new PvP game and EQ in particular is bad as it is both an old game and a game with harsh death penalties. Once there is a clear winner, the losing guild quits because losing sucks, the battle just becomes more uphill, and the best way to 'fight back' is to let the victors rule over a ghost town.

Nihilum clearly won the server. I'm sure people can come up with a million excuses as to why this is the case, but it doesn't change the fact that it would require more effort to topple them than anyone is willing to give.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casuals are going to wash out hard when they get to lvl 60 in 16 hours and begin trying to pharmacy items that take that long.

Agatha is right. Being lvl 60 in eq is far from casual.

Yep. Even 60 is hard because then you have to start closing the gear gap and getting other high end items to be competitive. I'm not bitching. But it is a fact of life. Even Jboots is a long camp for people with short attention spans. I know I did it for 4 days STRAIGHT, without a break and it broke me. I will buy jboots on all my toons from here on out. its just something to consider.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by tomatoking8 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Staff interfered, everyone quit

The End

fixed that for you

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will be flat out honest, I have played on this server since launch and been involved with almost every guild/crew at one point or another.

Right now red feels as dead as it ever has since Kunark was launched, it confuses me because the /who all count will say 70 but the /ooc is dead empty and I can port around all day on my druid and find barely anyone.

It really has a feeling of emptiness lately, I haven't felt it this bad since it was the days of 14 pop during classic when Nihilum was just farming planes on a schedule and no one else was playing other then myself, chewie, salem, and beck.

I don't know what the solution is, but I think this server has ran it's course until at least Velious launch. EXP is p good now, but yet it just feels dead.

If there is still people consistently logging on for 12 hours a day or more 2 months from now to farm when it's this empty I would be surprised.

Before Kunark there was a lot more pvp indeed even though the population was much lower its weird as hell.

And it was more legit pvp. Less high end geared toons and more people just pvpin on walmart funded chars. I think now that Kunark has been on farm its really hurt the mid level pop a lot. You occasionally run into a complete noob you don't want to kill. Or someone who is a demigod unless you have multiple toons at your disposal to kill OOR heals + 2 or 3 other twinks. Its pretty crazy how the demographics are working.

[runlvlzero]

And starting a new post here so my response can be seperate... in regards to item loot.

Yes people will loot bronze BP's, just to be jerks. But its really not a big deal to loose that bronze BP (except maybe on a large race). With boxing enabled a naked healer can heal a bronze class and they can level with some nice held items and bag their really nice gear like FBSS. It raised the bar. It will probably decrease population overall for a long long time. Especially if people have to rely on uber toons to pl their melees. I wouldn't be able to play a melee effectively at all with a population under 400 on an item loot server. Once you get into the 400+ range things become more sane as they will be naked clerics and druids and shams to group with who don't want to "just solo and gank". It's a lil delusional to think that people will be honorable. There's 20 people tops here that wouldn't loot peoples bronze. The rest would.

But as the pop stands right now it will be shamans, necros, wizards, mages, enchanters solo ganking melee's and everyone else. While completely naked. (Necros will get a nice boost with everyone naked)

I love item loot. It makes the game much more compelling to me. But we need boxing if we implement it with a pop under 400. We could probably live without it if we could find a better solution.

One crazy idea would be to do item loot, but make everything No Drop. Only make extremely nice, but not game changing items (fungi, FBSS, CoF, tranix crown, Resist Gear) dropable. General PvE gear like Quest armor aught to be No Drop still, or common items. Rare items droppable, and common/quest gear No Drop.

Or generally BIS PvP + resist dropappable with decent mid range pve gear no drop. And maybe one tier of kunark gear like seb scale or w/e is passable for 50+. People will love to fight others for those blue diamond bits. I would remove bagging items with it customized. Also it would probably require a few iterations of tweaks to get just right.

[Bogart]

I went and looked up some old threads. I forgot how bad amelinda was. Thin skinned emotional GMs happy to threaten with bans are about the last thing you want on a PvP server. Her past behavior is still hurting this server.

[s1ckness]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a huge nba fanatic and follow like every beat writer ever on twitter. Must know who you are immediately.

[HeisChuck]

bring back paypalinda

just for starters

[Smedy]

Originally Posted by Bogart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I went and looked up some old threads. I forgot how bad amelinda was. Thin skinned emotional GMs happy to threaten with bans are about the last thing you want on a PvP server. Her past behavior is still hurting this server.

a pair of tits, no matter how soggy can always get you ahead in that staff queue. Surprisingly my man pecks has done nothing for me and i though brogean was a bro