No hope in groups 1-40?

[Atmas]

Also, you got to realize a bard gets a hybrid penalty because they are awesome at doing so many things. You shouldn't be tanking if there is an actual tank, but it is advantageous for bards to do lots of those other utility aspects over some other classes.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Hamahakki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tanks at lower levels keep aggro worse for a number of reasons:

- Mobs have lower HP so people don't want to wait for the tank to get a head start on threat
- Taunt is less effective because the skill cap is lower and because you fight more yellow and red monsters
- Squishy classes are less squishy so they care less about getting hit
- Many of the good threat weapons don't proc yet
- Non-twinked tanks are way behind twinked melee characters in terms of gear

- Clueless bards that play heal song and other aoe offensive songs with no understanding of hate
edit* - Backstabbing rogues that don't have an evade macro that should be hit when reaching high threat
- Nukers that don't let tank get sufficient aggro before casting their biggest blast
- Healers that heal on incoming

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it helps you any, I have to think that the level of play here is much higher than on live . . . .

You really would think that. I know I expected it. But I've come to learn the majority of you were 14 years old in 1999. I could expand on my experiences with teens in 1999, but since I'd likely offend the majority of this population, I'll refrain.

[Lyra]

I'll add, It is DPS responsibility to manage hate situationally.

[Zyn]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A combination of two things.

#1 - Players are generally not good. As an example, most Shamans go Barbarian and then gear their character like a Druid (facepalm) and have no understanding of their class.

#2 - Bards do SO much in a group that it makes your group-mates look even worse. As a Bard, I'm getting 3-4 mobs locked down on mezz even though our Ranger or Pally puller could root park adds easily. I'm snaring runners even though we have 2 other classes in the group that can snare. I'm doing fair DPS meleeing and actually assisting the MT. I'm interupting spell casters even though that big race in our group can slam or Knight could bash interupt. Meanwhile, my mana song, heal song, or haste song hasn't dropped for one tick the entire time. Now, compare that amount of work to the average EQ player: A Druid in your group that's putting his DoTs on a mob that stays alive for 15 seconds, not snaring runners, who you have to remind to refresh DS, etc.

I'm a bard, and I find it hard to believe that you're mezzing 3 targets, playing mana song, heal song, and haste song AND slowing mobs... without anything dropping. You have to tab target mez each one individually, and they each count as a song in a 4-song twist.

Bards can do a lot, but I thinks youza have anodder bard in das group.

[Cecily]

Macroing hide and backstab together would be kinda dumb. Just sayin...

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Zyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a bard, and I find it hard to believe that you're mezzing 3 targets, playing mana song, heal song, and haste song AND slowing mobs... without anything dropping. You have to tab target mez each one individually, and they each count as a song in a 4-song twist.

Bards can do a lot, but I thinks youza have anodder bard in das group.

Just because you aren't doing every single thing every single tick doesn't mean you aren't doing them all...I think you read him way to literally.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Macroing hide and backstab together would be kinda dumb. Just sayin...

I've never macro'd my hide key to anything either. No need to do so. You would wind up with many instances of getting aggro with your hide ability already being down instead of being able to click it as soon as you get aggro.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never macro'd my hide key to anything either. No need to do so. You would wind up with many instances of getting aggro with your hide ability already being down instead of being able to click it as soon as you get aggro.

Ok, I meant an evade macro that you often hit after backstab. I wasn't clear.

/attack OFF
/doability 6 (or whichever ability menu slot you assigned to your Hide skill)
/attack ON

[fastboy21]

I understood what you meant. Hide is the same ability as evade, if you are a rogue. I just wouldn't macro it to my backstab. I hold it until i get aggro, and then hit it. The exact same way I hit taunt on my war when i lose aggro.

Maybe I'm wrong to do it this way, but it seems to work best for me this way.

[Lyra]

The macro is the evade and does not include the backstab...

I will edit my post to make it clear.