PVP Talks tonight decide Red99 fate

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Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We'll add that to the list of positives.

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[Malevz]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing says this is the server you want to play, like 63 people /who all count 12:30 pm saturday.

Once you've deleted their characters, I'm sure people will flock to the server. If you're going to put time in to gear and level on a server that's wiped before, you're either mentally challenged or have too much time on your hands.

[Bazia]

As long as I have people to group with and people to pvp ill log in.

Think a lot of people have just been playing for years now and are burnt out, if you find yourself not wanting to log in you prob just need to take a break for awhile, not try to change something that isn't broken (sans resist).

[Dullah]

Group exp bonus rather than solo xp bonus for sure.

Boxing, possibly.

Teams and variance are just bad, and its been proven that they bring nothing to this server countless times. They literally don't stand to improve any aspect of this server, yet the idea is continually regurgitated like its gospel. It removes 33% of the pvp, doesn't prevent griefing or fuckers from x-teaming. Its just makes the server a little bluer with no gains. The whole argument that the ruleset was somehow better than FFA is idiotic because anyone with an IQ > than a houseplant knows RZ had less people because of item loot, not because it lacked teams.

Guilds are teams. Just because most of the population on r99 are social retards and can't play well with others, doesn't mean you remove pvp to force people to play together. That just leads to new forms of griefing, but no way for members of the same faction to do anything about it.

After epics were released, the first variance mob appeared on the server. Two months later after nihilum had finished gearing their level 1 clerics with epics, other guilds got their first shot at ragefire. Variance didn't help them get a mob even one time, it only removed most of the competition and served as a pain in the ass to those having to check trackers every 30 minutes. On a blue server, I can somewhat understand it because you can't actually pvp over dragons, but here you should be ashamed of yourself for suggesting it.

[Pudge]

A lot of ppl who haven't logged in, even for a long time, will be there tonight. Server needs some big changes. Or a wipe and remake with teams.

Before the server opened ppl were arguing for things that were similar to vztz. Staff said "this isn't vztz shitbox" - and basically dismissed years of evolution of emu PvP servers. These same ppl (currently stasis) have tried repeatedly to give advise on what needs to change. The biggest problem of the server is really the staff. Staff need to LISTEN to complaints instead of writing them off or telling ppl "SHIT'S CLASSIC - DEAL WITH IT." Nothing changes on the server and it's mostly because of Rogean. I know he's generally awesome for doing this project and all but Rogean, you guys obviously can't handle it all on your own. You are like 3 ppl coding changes for 2 servers that were serviced on live by like 20 ppl each. You need to delegate responsibilities to ppl who can get shit done, and have the power to say "yes, not showing LD over a player's head on a PvP server is classic (as evidenced by the post and link to eq patch notes). Let's implement that change. Oh, I see someone from the community has already posted the code necessary to achieve this, *copy, *paste." Obviously that guy would have to know how to code, but ppl have stepped up to help you on this project and been shot down or ignored (I'm thinking of Alekta here).

When it's starwars time, there needs to be someone who can approve changes. Also, someone who can implement non-classis balance changes, such as making golem wands have a 2 sec cast time (... like they did on vztz). Change the water spell dodging to classic, address resists, etc. If you had listened to the community and responded to problems as they arose, and not 2 years later, maybe things would be different and we wouldn't need some kind of overhaul. You really need more ppl to code, because it seems like you guys just don't have the time.

The fact that you guys have recently been paying more attention, being more amenable to change (bonus exp, YT, PvP exp loss), and are now engaging the community in this (these?) talks are encouraging and giving ppl hope. But changes need to actually happen - code needs to actually get written/deciphered (nulls) in order to bring the server back.

I'm hoping for teams at this point. Sullon was awesome. Wipe probably ain't gonna happen, but if you do it, it would instantly bring the pop back to like 250 every night, which is sustainable number for teams. Then you could remove ooc in favor of team chat, etc... at this point I'm just fantasizing so I'll end my wall of text.

Holding out to hear what this discussion gonna be like tonight.

[Dullah]

No single suggestion stands to hurt a pvp server more than removing the one feature that EQ had going for it: contested content. As it stands, everyone on the server knows exactly when raid content spawns, and can come and contest at any time. By putting this on a random timer, it eliminates much of that competition, and goes completely against the spirit of pvp.

Variance is the dumb, blue and utterly communistic in that it removes competition and attempts to reward everyone equally. Fuck that communistic bullshit.

[Rec]

People have been begging on the retail forums for a sullon zek server for years. We'll get more than 250 as long as it's publicized. Not that it still can't be messed up, there's a lot that shapes a server.

[Bazia]

Teams are gay, if I want to not kill people ill play my blue toons

[Rec]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Teams are gay, if I want to not kill people ill play my blue toons

FFA is all you. That's the difference, we want you to have what you want but you don't want us to have what we want.

[Bazia]

You think they are launching another server?

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