No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training bans only happen when the train was intentional and when there is sufficient evidence provving intentions, like a fraps video. Since the bards intent is to level and not train groups said bards will never be banned. Roaming outdoor mobs are first come first serve, sorry. Mass kiting is not against the rules and neither is monopolizing entire zone npc populations, as long as they were first to pull. Its eq guys, nothing is handed to you.

Training is against the rules, intentional or not. Server rules spell it out clearly.

Monopolizing an entire zones spawns IS against the rules.

Originally Posted by Sirken

you know what else is a server rule? players are not allowed to claim entire zones or multiple camps.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...14&postcount=7

[fishingme]

you can easily ruin a bard's day by rooting 2-3 mobs towards the end of their kite without them knowing about it. 3-4 rooted mobs is pretty much assured a death for them. After you root said mobs, just zone out to clear aggro. Rooting isn't Ksing.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mass kiting is not against the rules and neither is monopolizing entire zone npc populations, as long as they were first to pull. Its eq guys, nothing is handed to you.

What you are describing would have been considered "zone disruption" during classic live and you could wind up with a warning or suspension for that depending on what the GM saw and decided to do. If you already had one of those it could have resulted in a ban. They left "zone disruption" open ended and as a discretionary thing specificly to not have to have a rule for every little instance of douchebaggery and to have to deal with said douchebag lawyering his way around the rules.

It's not a matter of anything being handed to anyone, but players (plural) being able to actually use the content as intended. One player monopolizing an entire zone has never been intended for any zone in any era of this game. If someone was doing it and it affected entire groups of other players, particularly if it commonly resulted in them dying from trains caused by this, intentional or otherwise, it would be a more than safe bet that GMs would have stepped in on live. Here should be no different. You don't have to have a specific rule to tell people to not be assholes in every little case.

Bard AoE kiting, in fact, got nerfed on live specifically because a small minority of bards were monopolizing the more popular exp zones during primetime, by the way.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is against the rules, intentional or not. Server rules spell it out clearly.

Originally Posted by Rogean

Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

^I'm guessing this is what you are referring to?^
kiting != training. No one is trying to escape(zone away) from a pack of NPCs or dump agro when swarm kiting. Either way, getting someone in trouble on a training dispute is nigh impossible; in my several years on the server I've never seen it happen outside of a raid scenario. It's un-enforceable.

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monopolizing an entire zones spawns IS against the rules.

^this is referring to holding multiple camps within a dungeon(specifically crushbone and black burrow; both places have clearly defined camps.) The server rules are clear that outdoor pathing mobs are not and can never be considered a camp. Stop quote mining out of context.

The rule for outdoor pathing mobs is as follows:

Originally Posted by Xzerion

5. Outdoor pathing mobs are not campable unless you are sitting at the spawn point and able to engage it instantly. Outdoor mobs on fast respawn such as HG and spectres, if you cannot engage immediately you do not hold the camp. Please try and share with fellow players in these instances.

I.E. It's FTE on outdoor pathing mobs. If someone is first to engage the entire zone; the entire zone is theirs until they die, or kill it all. "please try and share" isn't an order to share, its a suggestion.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you are describing would have been considered "zone disruption" during classic live and you could wind up with a warning or suspension for that depending on what the GM saw and decided to do. If you already had one of those it could have resulted in a ban. They left "zone disruption" open ended and as a discretionary thing specificly to not have to have a rule for every little instance of douchebaggery and to have to deal with said douchebag lawyering his way around the rules.

It's not a matter of anything being handed to anyone, but players (plural) being able to actually use the content as intended. One player monopolizing an entire zone has never been intended for any zone in any era of this game. If someone was doing it and it affected entire groups of other players, particularly if it commonly resulted in them dying from trains caused by this, intentional or otherwise, it would be a more than safe bet that GMs would have stepped in on live. Here should be no different. You don't have to have a specific rule to tell people to not be assholes in every little case.

Bard AoE kiting, in fact, got nerfed on live specifically because a small minority of bards were monopolizing the more popular exp zones during primetime, by the way.

What gave you the impression this was live? Different ruleset; different GMs/Policies; different server.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^I'm guessing this is what you are referring to?^
kiting != training. No one is trying to escape(zone away) from a pack of NPCs or dump agro when swarm kiting. Either way, getting someone in trouble on a training dispute is nigh impossible; in my several years on the server I've never seen it happen outside of a raid scenario. It's un-enforceable.


^this is referring to holding multiple camps within a dungeon. The server rules are clear that outdoor pathing mobs are not a camp. Stop quote mining out of context.

The rule for outdoor pathing mobs is as follows:


I.E. It's FTE on outdoor pathing mobs. If someone is first to engage the entire zone; the entire zone is theirs until they die, or kill it all. "please try and share" isn't an order to share, its a suggestion.

Training is training, it doesn't matter what you are "trying" to do when it happens.

We aren't talking about people attempting to claim camps on outdoor mobs, this thread didn't start because ___ killed the sarnak that someone was camping in OT. You are the one taking things out of context here. Not being able to claim a specific wanderer spawn as a camp does not = being allowed to pull everything in the zone when other players are there trying to exp.

[Splorf22]

If the OP had been talking about the Dreadlands or South Karana I would have been ready to get my pitchfork, but OT is just designed for bards.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What gave you the impression this was live? Different ruleset; different GMs/Policies; different server.

Keep lawyering.

The GMs have already stated more than once that you can't monopolize entire zones or even multiple spawns within zones. One, as recently as another thread, yesterday, and another from like a year ago specificly talking about bards doing it could result in suspensions.

You made a blanket statement in your earlier post about "this is eq" or something and I was pointing out that not only is what you are saying not the case here, but it wasn't the case on live either. What gave you the impression FTE was a license to disrupt entire zones? Because it's not here nor was it ever on live.

[Nirgon]

Sounds like a great bug to fix, low hp aggro should be a snap gain and not for nearly as much threat. You can completely kill mobs (95% of really high hp ones and presuming no resists) without them ever fighting back.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a bard pulls a horde, dies, and trains another group, they're in direct violation of the training policy on this server, and a petition should be filed.

Sounds like the kind of thing gm's/devs try to avoid with having players work it out for themselves. if everyone that trained died, noobs in unrest cb bb etc etc. gm's would be living in these low level zones watching for trainers.

everyone interrupts the rules differently but to say that any mob that comes back to you is the responsibility of the puller is a bit of a force.