Rules Lawyers

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Langrisserx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the crushbone incident is zone disruption so yes petition it

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it would seem they're you.

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[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you happen to meet a few players who seem like assholes; they're assholes.
If everyone you happen to meet seems like an asshole; you're the asshole.

Basically this. Amazingly, some of the biggest trolls on the forums have bad interactions in-game.

[kaev]

There're certainly plenty of jerks around here, but they are fairly heavily outnumbered by the nice folks so it's generally not hard to have pleasant relations with other players. Raid & camp drama sometimes make things seem (a lot) worse than they usually are. As others have pointed out, if you act out yourself for any reason you're a lot more likely to be on the receiving end of the same.

[amishriot]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are their names?

kalderia is the shaman. I don't remember how the wizards name was spelled

[amishriot]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would call Chief and BGs one camp.

To the OP: I have a bit of disdain for the use of the term rule lawyering. It seems like every one will always be able to make a derogatory term for someone doing something they don't like. If someone trained you and you complained it was against the rules you would be rule lawyering but I doubt your acceptance of the term in that situation.

Anyway, mixed feelings about your Guk example. Primarily because on several occasions I have walked into Guk called a CC and had one person claim half they were doing half the camps, which in addition to being against the server rules is just ridiculous. I made my way to one of the camps and found it completely spawned. I've also seen people call claim to camps that they want and plan to head to but are no where near. Incidents like that make it somewhat infuriating when someone calls a camp and isn't there. However, you only called one camp so unless I showed up at the camp and found it spawned I would probably be fine, even though you should stay at the camp you are claiming.

The two lvl 60s in CB is just dumb. Even if they were powerleveling someone there are of ton of better places to go that aren't occupied by level appropriate groups trying to xp.

I don't think anyone should be forced to stay in one room to be able to claim a camp when the zone is virtually empty. I had been in there for a couple hours by myself except for the one guy soloing at the zoneline. Its absurd to think that leaving the ass/sup room to kill a mob that nobody wanted should be a problem. He was only using that as an excuse. I even said I would stop killing to ritualist if he wanted it but he said he didn't.

I agree its dumb when people try to claim 5 camps when others want them but if they are only claiming 1 and killing it easily it shouldn't matter if you are in that room or not. Sometimes its safer to more convenient to sit somewhere else.

As for the training example. I would never quote the rules because someone trained me. I might go off on them or petition if I had reason to believe it was done intentional but its got nothing to do with the rules and everything to do with it just being a dick move. If someone is jerk enough to intentionally train someone I doubt there being a rule against is going to stop them.

[amishriot]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says the guy who was trying to hold multiple camps even though someone else wanted a piece of the action.

I wasn't trying to hold multiple camps I was holding one. There was nobody else in the zone so I branched out for a while with the intention of giving it up the second anyone came in wanting it. Seriously do you see a problem with that? I don't think there is anything in the rules saying you cant kill anything outside your camp just that you can't claim anything else. Which I didn't

[amishriot]

Originally Posted by Soandso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd like to clarify these dude's second story as I was playing a noob in crushbone those nights. The 2 dudes were there by themselves, ( this guy is lying and generally if you ask of the people who have been in cb those days he is an entitled pain in the ass) when me and my group showed up they gave us whatever they wanted and even helped us. This dude shows up and doesn't even bother communicating with them because he "doesn't feel like he should have too" and just starts shouting insults. Don't take this guy at his word he's leaving their side of the story out. They were very helpful to plenty of people and they didn't take any of my groups or others mobs when people showed up. In his mind high levels should not even be allowed to zone into lower level zones.

way to misrepresent me. First of all I did talk to them and they said if I told them which camp i wanted they would leave that one alone. I explained why this is not really an acceptable situation. Second they came in the next night and despite my group claiming the castle they just decided to take it over because half of it was spawned. You take their side because they gave up the castle for you, good for you but not good for everyone else in the zone.

I don't think im an "entitled pain in the ass" just because I don't think its fair that a lev 10 should have to ask for permission to get some mobs to kill in crushbone from two lev 60s who shouldn't be killing anything in there anyway. I never said they shouldn't be allowed to zone in. I go in there with my main all the time to buff noobies. I just don't want them to kill everything in the zone, forcing us to beg for mobs. Just because you had an easy time with them doesn't mean they treated everyone else the same way.

[amishriot]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, look at that, the Camp's Defined thread has some sort of definition for the exact scenario you've described here...weird, almost like the server staff intended it that way.

Your 2nd example really perplexes me; what reason do level 60's have for clearing Crushbone? Killing 1 hill giant will yield enough platinum to buy any drop in the zone easily.

Citing your ignorance to the rules in your example one, I'm inclined to believe your example two its either fabrication to lobby support of your rule breaking in example 1, or a misrepresentation of actual events.

Learn the damn rules and use them, its why they are there. Not doing so is like getting upset when people don't let you steal from them, on the grounds that you wouldn't get mad at them if the tables were turned.

WTF is your problem? You just proved that I wasn't breaking any rules with that. I never thought I was and as soon as the other guy came in I DID choose a single camp. You either didn't read or didn't understand what I was saying. I don't need the rules to tell me how not to be an asshole.

[Psionide]

"I don't think anyone should be forced to stay in one room to be able to claim a camp when the zone is virtually empty"- Sorry those are the rules. So it's ok for your to claim multiple mobs when the zone is virtually empty but not the wizard and shaman?

" had been in there for a couple hours by myself except for the one guy soloing at the zoneline."Again same deal here, so it's ok for you to take whatever you want when the zone is empty. Your problem was when the wizard and shaman showed up you didn't feel the need to communicate with them because you didn't feel that you should have to ask.

"There was nobody else in the zone so I branched out for a while with the intention of giving it up the second anyone came in wanting it" Again same deal here and what did you say yourself the shaman and wizard said to you? Oh here it is..............."They said I could have a camp but I had to tell them which one it was I wanted. First of all I did talk to them and they said if I told them which camp i wanted they would leave that one alone."

So let me sum this up............"There was nobody else in the zone so I branched out for a while with the intention of giving it up the second anyone came in wanting it"

Which were your words, then the 60s words......First of all I did talk to them and they said if I told them which camp i wanted they would leave that one alone."