Koadic's Endless Intellect

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never understood the hate for PoK books outside of PvP servers.

Seriously, if Rogean enabled binding in Timorous Deep for a day, half the fucking server would bind at Firepots, and the other half would bitch and moan that they couldn't play that day to get bound.

People want other players to run from Field of Bone to East Commonlands, but they don't want to do it themselves (maybe past the first time).

Because it's a multiplayer game and some things should take multiple players, like fast travel.

Where PoK is REALLY a travesty is that you don't have to go there the first time by foot. As soon as you get into PoK, the world is 2 minutes away. What used to feel like islands and continents are now just really big rooms in a mansion.

[pasi]

KEI didn't make Enchanters unwanted in exp groups. From classic to... fuck, I don't even know - enchanters have been a part of the best exp/loot groups. You simply can't go wrong playing a war/cler/enc in EQ groups. Even if you took away KEI, Luclin for Enchanters brought a shitload of new AOE zones and Dire Charm for new/old playgrounds.

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because it's a multiplayer game and some things should take multiple players, like fast travel.

I don't necessarily disagree that the game should require multiple players for fast travel. In fact, I respect players that are immersed in their travels. I'm one of those people who runs pretty much everywhere that doesn't require waiting for a boat. Granted, I usually just auto-run in the direction I need to go and tab out to do something else.

What I do know is that if Nilberg enabled PoK on this server, 99% of the playerbase would be bound there. The same is true of Timorous Deep Firepots. Most of the people who complain about convenient travel would be the people using it - it's the hypocrisy that bothers me when these same people hate on Spires/PoK. People are opposed to other players getting convenient travel, but will gladly take it themselves should the opportunity present itself.

[Gruktar]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I do know is that if Nilberg enabled PoK on this server, 99% of the playerbase would be bound there. The same is true of Timorous Deep Firepots. Most of the people who complain about convenient travel would be the people using it - it's the hypocrisy that bothers me when these same people hate on Spires/PoK. People are opposed to other players getting convenient travel, but will gladly take it themselves should the opportunity present itself.

Just because people argue against fast travel doesn't mean they are hypocrites for using it. If a recovering alcoholic goes to a party and is given some free beer, he is going to be compelled to drink it. That doesn't make him a hypocrite for wanting to go to a party that doesn't have any beer.

Hypocritical would be if a player bound at the firepots argued against opening it for other people to bind there, or someone arguing for a one-day-only period where everyone is allowed to bind there, but no one in the future will be able to.

[pasi]

Just because people argue against fast travel doesn't mean they are hypocrites for using it.

I think this is the definition of hypocrite. People who are bound at Firepots for convenient-solo travel, but are opposed to the idea of convenient-solo travel.

If a recovering alcoholic goes to a party and is given some free beer, he is going to be compelled to drink it. That doesn't make him a hypocrite for wanting to go to a party that doesn't have any beer.

I generally try to avoid analogies over the internet, but here goes: There isn't anything wrong for the recovering alcoholic to seek out a party without alcohol. However, that is different than the alcoholic wanting to limit all parties to no alcohol.

The option for an alcohol-free party is still there (you are not forced to use the books and can still use druids/wizards/your feet). The former alcoholic is capable of making his own party without alcohol (PoK/Spires) without sacrificing any other aspect of his party (it doesn't matter how you got to Karnor as long as you got there). It becomes an issue when the former alcoholic wants all other parties (other players not in the alcoholic's party) to not drink alcohol (people using PoK/Spires).

Anyhow, that's my take on the matter. I'm not gonna derail this further than it already went.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Granted, I usually just auto-run in the direction I need to go and tab out to do something else.

Confirmed fully immersed.