Shamen Vs. Druids as Soloers

[quido]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could probably solo arch magi, possibly break it.

I really doubt that either of us could solo the Arch Magi. He would nuke the fuck out of us. He's nuked Malcolm's dar pets to death when I couldn't land enough stuns.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really doubt that either of us could solo the Arch Magi. He would nuke the fuck out of us. He's nuked Malcolm's dar pets to death when I couldn't land enough stuns.

Why wouldn't you just root rot him around the corner where he can't cast?

[quido]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why wouldn't you just root rot him around the corner where he can't cast?

Tal and I were just talking about this. I'm pretty sure that if a mob has line of sight on you when he starts casting he'll still land the spell on you unless you get out of his spell's range. So if AM starts casting nuke while rooted and I run around the corner, he'll still land the nuke. He won't be able to begin casting a second nuke until I enter his line of sight again, but clearly that'll need to happen. I don't know, I think it could possibly be done. I've been wanting to try on my shaman for a while. AM is also one of the most resistant mobs in Guk.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tal and I were just talking about this. I'm pretty sure that if a mob has line of sight on you when he starts casting he'll still land the spell on you unless you get out of his spell's range.

Negative, the mob will interrupt its casting and immediately try to reach LoS. If its rooted it just stops casting until you enter LoS again. So as long as your cast time was < the mobs cast time, you shouldnt ever get hit.

[Eternal-Elf]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Negative, the mob will interrupt its casting and immediately try to reach LoS. If its rooted it just stops casting until you enter LoS again. So as long as your cast time was < the mobs cast time, you shouldnt ever get hit.

Eh, i can't say from experience on the Arch magi....but Orc Prophet in Crushbone deff. doesn't need LINE of sight to blast the shit out of you. Pet was on him and rooted him right near Zone line and I went around corner.....still got blasted. I think it may be based on Zone structure as well not sure......

but if you get bored you can always go beat up on the orc prophet and test the theory lol!

[azxten]

In my experience some spells seem to continue casting and land at which point no other spells are cast until LOS is obtained. Other spells they'll fail to cast and try to get LOS immediately. Also, running out of spell range always guarantees they stop and chase.

In any case, even if he gets one or two casts off every time you have to reroot you should be able to heal/regen it back while you're sitting around waiting on DoTs/root to fade.

[quido]

I know the Ghoul Sage nails me around that corner every time I fight him.

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Negative, the mob will interrupt its casting and immediately try to reach LoS. If its rooted it just stops casting until you enter LoS again. So as long as your cast time was < the mobs cast time, you shouldnt ever get hit.

This was exactly my point when I was talking with Jeremy about it.

Now, in theory it seems like it would work... But saying shit is a lot easier than actually doing it. I will probably go try in full resist gear in a few days or so, but it's half suicide, because if you get a bad root break, your fucked. He'll chain stun you so hard you wont be able to move.

It's definitely plausible on paper.

I do tend to agree with Jeremy though.
Soloing Indoors>> Shaman.
Soloing outdoors>>>Druid.
Take away the Shamans pet? We're on damn near equal footing indoors I do believe, if only because most strats we'd use are the same, and snare really doesn't change a whole lot indoors, other than a few more seconds of reaction time. Malo just makes a shamans life easier, and a shamans slow is just like a druids snare indoors, a few seconds more of reaction time, because I don't see a shaman meleeing down a mob in Lguk. And Jeremy, Yes, you are an exception.

Edit: Most mobs you want to farm are indoors. This is true. In Kunark, a lot of things are indoors, but zones like Karnors (IIRC, dont hate) and CoM are outdoors, where a druids stuns and other useful spells will work. Kunark+Druid is a lot more viable than you'd imagine Jeremy, although I know you haven't played it before.

Double Edit @ Ax: Ax, you wouldn't ever Root/Rot the Ghoul Arch-Magi, unless you want to 13 dmg a tick dot him to death. Things like Drifting death and Drones, and even Immolate I believe have a cast time that is MUCH too high to try and combat his cast time with. What ou would do, is load an older DD like Combust, and just root/nuke the fuck out of him. He is placed in a hallway, and you would snare/root and play the corners effectively IMO. Get a Drifting off if you can manage, but I think he would cast IMMEDIATELY when he sees you, and a computers reaction time is Instant.

[quido]

Slow affects attack speed.
Snare affects run speed.

A bard "slow" is both, but for shamans and druids, it only affects the one.

Take away the pet and we're almost on equal footing (Shamans still have much better DoTs and can Cannibalize and shit) but why the hell would you take away the pet? I have my pet up every time I'm soloing. And he's usually raid buffed =)

Take away a druid's XXXXXX and they suck!

Also, I take back what I say about AM being one of the most resistant mobs in Guk. I contend that he is the most resistant mob in Guk.