Shamen Vs. Druids as Soloers

[Tetrian]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've given up on reasoning with most of the EQ > WoW crowd.

Back to the thread through, shaman can definitely handle dungeons better than a druid. I found myself relying on my warden symbol of Tunare in dungeons, because all of my mana was spent on root rotting stuff that'd kill me if it got in range (even kobold shamans, in SoldungB for example.) My shaman friends however, just sicked dogdog on whatever, slowed the mob, and walked up and started beating the crap out of it with his Gardash occasionally re-applying ebolt. It continued like that all the way through Luclin in Maiden's Eye. I was stuck kiting crap, my shaman friend was always right in the thick of it. Shamans can afford more mistakes.

Considered boosting your AC and getting a fungi tunic instead of going for the standard 200 wis and + mana deal? - The only time you need the wisdom and mana is when you fill the bar prior to a kite or similar. This game is all about the mana/health regen and damage mitigation especially in dungeons. Most druids in live never got that memo.

Dont get me wrong, i'm not saying that shamans dont have a safer margain when it comes to bad luck on ressists simply due to slow, but i'd wager a bet that a druid can manage any encounter a shaman can do, with the right gear and gimmic items present.

Most druids in EQ played like retards on live. When in fact the class, with the right gear, is close to ideal for almost any solo encounter, indoors and out.

Druids are the pretty much the most versatile and powerfull class in this game, especially after kunark - Sure shamans do have a small edge on em straight up due to slow/canni but they also have some down sides, One of them is that they get to walk for it - A druid who fails at something is only a few minutes away from another go.

Another thing is ressists on dots. Druid dots are extremely effective both ratio and ressist wise. Same goes for damage shields. If potion stacked they rape face.


-Tetrian

[Phelp]

Originally Posted by Tetrian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most druids in EQ played like retards on live. When in fact the class, with the right gear, is close to ideal for almost any solo encounter, indoors and out.

Druids are the pretty much the most versatile and powerfull class in this game, especially after kunark - Sure shamans do have a small edge on em straight up due to slow/canni but they also have some down sides, One of them is that they get to walk for it - A druid who fails at something is only a few minutes away from another go.

Another thing is ressists on dots. Druid dots are extremely effective both ratio and ressist wise. Same goes for damage shields. If potion stacked they rape face.


-Tetrian

I really wonder if you actually played EQ after kunark or even through kunark. Ports were god like, quading was damn nice. That is about all they had going for them. Take a druid and shaman into an item camp(most of them were indoors) and the shaman would smash just about any druid even if they were not stupid druids.

I do not see how you can even put them in same catagory.

[garyogburn]

I know a few druids who quit in the high 30s on p99. Why? Theyre terrible groupers. They dont have anything another class doesnt already have covered.

So, if you go druid, its good to know you can quad, because its all you will be doing post 34.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by garyogburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know a few druids who quit in the high 30s on p99. Why? Theyre terrible groupers. They dont have anything another class doesnt already have covered.

So, if you go druid, its good to know you can quad, because its all you will be doing post 34.

Why 34?

[garyogburn]

WoW is easier than EQ because theres no risk. To anything.

Also, you can 1 shot even con mobs.

[Tetrian]

Estu, Druids get their first real quadding spell at 34.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by garyogburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know a few druids who quit in the high 30s on p99. Why? Theyre terrible groupers. They dont have anything another class doesnt already have covered.

So, if you go druid, its good to know you can quad, because its all you will be doing post 34.

I wouldn't go that far.
Sure other classes have the same thing druids have but druids get it all in one.

Damage shield, spot heals, snare, root, stun (outdoors only), AoE lull (outdoor only) pretty decent nukes, a couple buffs, teleports and evacs. Would you rather wait around to find a class that can do one of those things or just grab the class that can do all of the above (if they are already LFG anyway)?

So while a druid isn't the best at these things, it's never a bad idea to have one in the group if there is a spot open. Who doesn't want to carry around a swiss army class with them?

[garyogburn]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't go that far.
Sure other classes have the same thing druids have but druids get it all in one.

Damage shield, spot heals, snare, root, stun (outdoors only), AoE lull (outdoor only) pretty decent nukes, a couple buffs, teleports and evacs. Would you rather wait around to find a class that can do one of those things or just grab the class that can do all of the above (if they are already LFG anyway)?

So while a druid isn't the best at these things, it's never a bad idea to have one in the group if there is a spot open. Who doesn't want to carry around a swiss army class with them?

While its true they are a jack of all trades, they arent even the best at that. Shamans are.

Im not saying theyre worthless, its just theres many better choices. And would you really want to play a druid, just sitting in a group redoing thorns, throwing the occasional nuke with a finger over the evac button?

Druids really only shine in outdoors solo environments.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by garyogburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While its true they are a jack of all trades, they arent even the best at that. Shamans are.

I would not consider Shaman to be the best Jack of all trades. Just my personal opinion but I think bards come in on top in terms of versatility. Necros and Enchanters would most definitely top shaman in terms of versatility as well due to their ability to help mana regen, crowd control, lull, charm, FD, rune, stun, syphon mana, etc.

Shaman can offtank, they have great damage potential, amazing buffs and root.

Druids can't offtank but they can do all of the rest and much more. So despite shaman being better buffers it doesn't make up for their lack of post, evac, snare, harmony, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree that shaman are much better at certain things like I stated before, but their pure versatility factor is not as high (once again, in my opinion) as some would make them out to be.

Also, as I have stated before, there are better choices for each job a druid can handle. A druid just happens to be able to a bit of everything.

[garyogburn]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would not consider Shaman to be the best Jack of all trades. Just my personal opinion but I think bards come in on top in terms of versatility. Necros and Enchanters would most definitely top shaman in terms of versatility as well due to their ability to help mana regen, crowd control, lull, charm, FD, rune, stun, syphon mana, etc.

Shaman can offtank, they have great damage potential, amazing buffs and root.

Druids can't offtank but they can do all of the rest and much more. So despite shaman being better buffers it doesn't make up for their lack of post, evac, snare, harmony, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% agree that shaman are much better at certain things like I stated before, but their pure versatility factor is not as high (once again, in my opinion) as some would make them out to be.

Also, as I have stated before, there are better choices for each job a druid can handle. A druid just happens to be able to a bit of everything.

Fair enough. Shamans still beat out those classes in versatility you mentioned due to being able to heal better than any class than a cleric, imo though.