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[Loke]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never happened. I seem to remember you being deleveled though!

So you're saying you weren't suspended back before Kunark for two boxing in LGuk? Because I'm pretty sure a lot of people remember that, even if you were able to spin your way out of it much like you're trying to do now.

As far as my suspension, at least I admit to it and didn't come on here trying to play the victim.

In all honesty, I'm mostly just giving you shit and don't think you guys should be handed permabans. I do think a punishment similar to the SEQ thing is appropriate (possible loss of levels / loss of all platinum on the accounts). I just think it is hilarious that you guys sound exactly like 1/2 the people who got caught with SEQ, but when they were saying it you were screaming "burn the witch".

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What facts do you have? GM's even said its likely most of the people are banned unfairly. I know what you want to BELIEVE. But its just belief.

Fact: 86 accounts were logged in by IPs that were found exploiting.

Belief: Some of those people did not know the actions of the people they gave their account information to.

I suggest we make our decisions based on facts. How about you?

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its a pretty bad idea. It will work tho cause its for 2 weeks. That plan isnt a long-term solution in the slightest. Its just a PR stunt.

Last night I reached out to Zeelot to welcome him in talks on how make the raid scene a more enjoyable experience for not only FE/IB and TMO but other members of our community as well. The only thing restricting this gesture of goodwill is your narrow mindset of a stranglehold.

It's well within my position on this server to follow your footsteps and put every raid target on lockdown for the next two weeks, however I'd rather use these unfortunate circumstances that have befallen your guild to make something positive come about.

As part of TMO's leadership, you can use this time to consider how you'd like to move forward upon your return.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying you weren't suspended back before Kunark for two boxing in LGuk?

That's right, I wasn't!

[Vaildez]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every account they've ever logged into was banned. Most were never exploited on.

How could you possibly know this?

[Lammy]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is my question. The other accounts that were accessed by the cheaters and banned... did any cheating occur on those accounts or were they banned because the cheaters logged in on them? If cheating occurred on them they should be banned if cheating did not occur on them they shouldn't, imo.

The answer to your question is this. If Froovys/internodes IP placed them logging into any account at any point in the history of their existence, those accounts were flagged and banned. This done not mean any of these account were associated with the exploits.

Here's an example.

"Hey Froovy, can you log on my account to help me do a rez?"

Banned.

"Hey Froovy, can you log on my account to help me do a port?"

Banned.

"Hey Froovy, can you help run my character somewhere?"

Banned.



Sharing accounts in this fashion happens a lot, and isn't against the rules. This is Rogaens server, and I respect that. I even donate financially to the server. But at the end of the day, our Guilds name and members as a whole are being slandered over the unknown actions of a handful of people.

Rogaens response to this is obviously a very emotional one. He is upset about more than just the duping that occurred, and it shows in how this was handled. In the end, this server is Rogaens Project, and he is law. However, outside the competitive nature of the raid scene, I think that it is very important for the general population to know that TMO as a whole, is a great group of fair and honest players.

I personally couldn't list the amount of items I've given away to new players. I couldn't document the amount of hours I've spent offering out damage shields at EC tunnel for new players to enjoy. I've always stopped and med buffs/damage shields when I pass a low level player without them asking. I've spent time in lower end zones just chatting with the new players and finding out how they're enjoying themselves. I've always offered help to anyone on the forums whether I know them or not. And I KNOW that there are many members of TMO that do the same.

I hope the general hate and animosity of the community here towards TMO is just lemming behavior and/or trolls, because it would be disappointing to hear that this is the genuine, overall perception of TMO as a whole.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Vaildez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How could you possibly know this?

Aside from knowing it without being told, I know this because it's what Rogean said.

[diplo]

INTERNODE!!! Nooooooooo...he used to be a good pal of mine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by heazels [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all they had to do was log into once to make sure the login/password was good before passing it on to the guild to use. Maybe sold them for pp/dkp, maybe gave the accounts away, who knows

These aren't bought accounts in question. Many mains and primary alts that were logged on because these guys were trusted members. It is their fault for trusting these people with their account info, but no duping happened on most of these accounts. That's why the GMs said "2" offenders had abused this exploit, they obviously have logs of the incidents.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Lammy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it would be disappointing to hear that this is the genuine, overall perception of TMO as a whole.

It is.