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[Ungriim]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your question implied that actions were different from the norm. My question indicates that is Standard Operation procedure.

Your question was intended to mislead. Mine spreads truth.

No, your statement implied that events were different than actuality. My question is just a question.

Fact or Fiction Alarti? - Amelinda lifted a raid suspension ruling involving TMO and IB but only initially told TMO the ban was lifted?

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep suggesting a course of action for which you have said you believe it will fail. In general you have been very pessimistic about the future of the raiding game here. Any agreement between the various guilds on raid content will require less pessimism and "us vs them", and more optimism and camaraderie.

Ok pal, enjoy Florida. You don't like that I have seen how players act on both sides or my opinion of it. I want it to work but predict that it won't. We can stop arguing.. you don't like my prediction. I have no problem with you personally.

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do compete in the raid scene, and I do know that is it because of TMO that people are required to have accounts worth of alts to be able to raid.

So TMO was the first raid guild here that always controlled everything and started this? I think otherwise. I think it natural progression given what it takes to get content for any player here. Not limited to any one guild, group or individual.


Just give it time, if I'm wrong about it you can tell me so and I will admit it.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to anyone who thinks TMO is fully responsible for the 'shifted up' raid scene, or has not been aware of the 'interesting' raid scene history of this server really needs to bow out of commenting.

it is never one guild that does anything, if it was just TMO sitting there killing every raid mob with no outside interference etc there would be no 'csr issues' to deal with, or any other guild for that matter.

if there is 'competition' then there will be one trying to beat out (the) other(s)

if you take that away and give everything in a free rotation that's enforced by GM ruling, then you will destroy competition and the csr issues.

even with the fly by night raid rules posted, say ib fe ..or..are they one? Or not...anywho... Lets say they kill trak, and at next trak 3 guilds show up during the 2 hour window? Or is one guild going to stand there and say 'hey all XX number of you who are here, sorry your SOL we are letting the other guys have it... Show up next time!'

there will always be issues and questions and bending the rules.

tl;dr
People will always steal, so we shouldn't bother trying to lock up our houses or creating police/courts to deal with thieves.

[JayN]

TMO unstoppable regean cant even stop them

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Ungriim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, your statement implied that events were different than actuality. My question is just a question.

Fact or Fiction Alarti? - Amelinda lifted a raid suspension ruling involving TMO and IB but only initially told TMO the ban was lifted?

Fiction. The ban was lifted from TMO not IB.

[Xadion]

never said there should not be rules established and properly and evenly enforced. What I am saying is you cannot have competition with out struggle. If that struggle is something that causes to much csr time or is something people do not want...and it seems everyone here just wants to log on, sign up on the kill a dragon sheet and take their turn at hitting the loot pinata (and here I thought this was EQ not WoW server)

if that is the will of our leaders, then so be it.

and by leaders I mean 'this projects' leaders, I believe that is Nilbog and Rogean

[sedrie.bellamie]

until every account gets checked for duped items I can see why this is unfair

How many mobs did IB let other guilds have before leaving for EQmac?

Does everyone think that the same 20-40 people who show up for raids are the same 20-40 every time for the last 3 years? TMO, like the rest of p99, has a lot of players rotate in and out. When a new app applies, they need things like Trak BP, Trak Tooth, Sky items, Hate/Fear clears for armor. TMO brings in new people all the time because older players who have done everything moved on. TMO has probably 2-3 times the population that acutally shows up for any given raid.

If velious came out tomorrow, 1000+ players who have not played in years would come back for something new to do. What it seems like to me, is that the server staff just doesn't have the ability to police people 24/7. Add an increased population base and I can see why they do not want to release Velious.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

never said there should not be rules established and properly and evenly enforced. What I am saying is you cannot have competition with out struggle. If that struggle is something that causes to much csr time or is something people do not want...and it seems everyone here just wants to log on, sign up on the kill a dragon sheet and take their turn at hitting the loot pinata (and here I thought this was EQ not WoW server)

if that is the will of our leaders, then so be it.

If you think you can't have competition without calling in GMs to settle disputes, I would suggest you don't have a very good understanding of competition.

And it would appear to me that they made an arrangement that maintains some competition, while preventing any monopolization of spawns. Do try and keep up with current events in a thread called "recent events".

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to anyone who thinks TMO is fully responsible for the 'shifted up' raid scene, or has not been aware of the 'interesting' raid scene history of this server really needs to bow out of commenting.

it is never one guild that does anything, if it was just TMO sitting there killing every raid mob with no outside interference etc there would be no 'csr issues' to deal with, or any other guild for that matter.

if there is 'competition' then there will be one trying to beat out (the) other(s)

if you take that away and give everything in a free rotation that's enforced by GM ruling, then you will destroy competition and the csr issues.

even with the fly by night raid rules posted, say ib fe ..or..are they one? Or not...anywho... Lets say they kill trak, and at next trak 3 guilds show up during the 2 hour window? Or is one guild going to stand there and say 'hey all XX number of you who are here, sorry your SOL we are letting the other guys have it... Show up next time!'

there will always be issues and questions and bending the rules.

No Xadion, your guild is actually fully responsible for this. IB left the server and VD got absorbed by us. We became the defacto #2 guild which honestly wasn't where we wanted to be. There was a long period where we in BDA didn't really provide "competition" like you had been used to. The server was won at that point because we didn't really want to compete like you had been when every dirty trick in the book was necessary to gain an edge against IB/TR.

At that point TMO could have changed the raid scene entirely for the good of the server but instead it turned into a loot piñata greed spree. Now we're back to FE/IB and TMO using every bullshit trick in the book and no one wants to blink, there's no mutual disarmament, just mutual escalation of tactics. Now you are being forced to at least be civil with other raid guilds. Let's see if you can at least manage that after your vacation is over.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am thankful this is no longer the case, especially when TMO gets disbanded tonight.

TMO doesn't need green chat to raid together.