why are any of you surprised

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Originally Posted by Langrisserx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

" Nagafen got stuck in a wall" ... got stuck or was stuck ... intent matters...

i say the latter since the other guild was told and then repeated said exploit

u knew what u were doins is what im sayins

So, this was back when you could pull Nagafen out from his lair a bit. We were testing different pull spots to make dodging the AE easier / faster, and it glitched out. So, the intent wasn't initially to glitch it out. We had beaten Nagafen fine without needing to exploit it, so there really wasn't much reason to do it purposefully. Now, the question is whether we should have left it there stuck in the wall. Purists would say yes, since exploiting mobs is lame. But you have to consider the fact that if we hadn't killed it, Holocaust probably would have, so that dragon was dying to exploits one way or another.

I'm not sure what you mean by the second part of your message. Holocaust was the one that was told about the exploit and then abused it, and I wasn't part of Holocaust. I think the biggest distinction was that Nihilum had been killing Nagafen legitimately, while Holocaust only were able to kill it twice, both times intentionally utilizing exploits (I mean shit, they weren't even careful about it - they had 1 dude "tanking" it alone for like 30+ minutes while the rest of the guild left to go PvP in solb).