Raid Scene Poll

[Scoresby]

Originally Posted by Daysprung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't blame TMO though, content has been stagnant for 3 years, what else is going to happen unless people just quit?

I hear what you're saying, but on live there was certainly a different take on hardcore raiding. Guilds at the top typically backed off lower tier raid targets and at least let the server have some scraps. It would be one thing if TMO was focused on VP (hell, even Trak to lock more people OUT of VP), but they have felt the need to monopolize most of the content all the way back to Nagafen and Vox with an alt army that just isn't a real option for most of the server. Then sell the spoils of this for insane amounts of cash to rub it in our faces.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out this is toxic.

I think the heart of the request from Rogean was for us to quit being dicks to one another across the board though. Empathy goes a long way. Feels good man.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Daysprung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too much whining and crying, time for a server split. All you carebears can go into carebear-land and then you'll probably whine when you get out-carebear'd. You get out what you put in. Try harder or settle, its really your choice.

It appears this entire discussion is over your head.

[Scoresby]

Originally Posted by Krissdu64 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. It has never been this way, sorry. Hardcore players were monopolizing the end stuff until the next expansion... but at the time, expansion were released every 6 months, that's the difference.

Stop inventing the past lol, Kunark is out. You can now camp Frenzy and Effreti. You wanna go to VP? Wait for Velious or grow some balls.

Actually, that wasn't the case. On Veeshan and (later Luclin) I never recall top tier guilds stepping back to camp such elite mobs as Dracoliche, Nagafen, and Vox in Kunark. And yes, I played since launch. In fact, it wasn't terribly uncommon to see dragons up for good chunks of time (hours even) while people assembled.

Pump yourself up if you want, but that WAS REALITY!

It has nothing to do with balls...merely time. Again, it's toxic behavior. There's a reason there was so much vitriol against TMO recently. I'm not saying it's right, just explaining where it comes from and hoping one day such egotism and chest thumping (as you apparently have) can be set aside.

I hardly play and don't expect a damn thing because of it. But for the sake of the server, it's worth stating that monopolization of content isn't healthy nor really that classic.

[TAllen82]

I wish people would just shut the hell up and realize there is no solution to this problem. There will always be someone stronger, bigger, faster, more organized than you. Always. TMO was it...may still be it...who knows. Im glad you guys reorganized...for the record. There are lots of very good TMO members, good people, who I have enjoyed knowing, I dont hate your guild. What you are asking though, in a very very generalized sense, is for our VOLUNTEER, guides, GMs, Devs.....the list goes on......to give up pretty much all of their real world lives, to police the state of our raid scene. Without such policing there will ALWAYS be a top dog, because that's the way things work. It's life, and life in pixel form is still life. Can't be fought, can't be worked around. I read all the posts (god there were so many) on the TMO exploit thread.....and all I could think was....WOW. How do you guys NOT believe this will always be an issue. Reduce variance....zerg guilds just camp harder. Increase Variance....zerg guilds just camp longer. Enforce a rotation? Zerg guilds spread their alts into other guilds, new names, same times, same strategy. There is no viable solution. The people who run this server (and I love you guys, you do a damn good job) are volunteers, they profit nothing from the time they put in. Let....Shit...Be. If you want a raid mob, tag along. If your guild wants to co-raid....ASK.
We are all grown people, I think...most of us. This is just a game, we all..or most of us...want to excel at the games we play, I'm sure. Mediocrity is noones benchmark. However, not all of us will be willing to put in the time and ridiculous effort required to hold that top slot. If you are a casual player, be casual...casually ask if you can raid with someone. If you are a hardcore poop in a sock take liquids intravenous player..more power to you, wish I could live your life. Why is this such a big issue. We SHOULD mostly be adults, with lives that matter, in the real world, with real sun and real shade and real fucking Tequila. Play the game, get as deep as you want. If you want to be as deep as TMO, BE TMO...you have that option. For the love of god though, quit crying, quit trying to "fix" it. It's not broken, it's just hard. Be harder, or don't be. That's just my two cents.

[TAllen82]

Also I'm drinking.....but all that is still valid!

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by rogean

If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat eachother, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds. This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

[TAllen82]

Not classic bro, love the Goatmeister.......but not classic.

[pharmakos]

i know, i know

and of course, you know -- there's a kajillion other things on this server that aren't classic.

[TAllen82]

Indeed my friend (This is Fringyph, by the way) I know there are more than a few, but this one especially bothers me. It feels like a bunch of children crying because the upper classman is hogging tether ball....or something. Get better at fucking tether ball....know what I mean?

[pharmakos]

its not just about socialized pixels, though -- its about making the game fun.