Sirken's proposal

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suggest 10 days. Best breakdown, that's why I make pretty pictures.

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Am I reading Sirken's proposal wrong?

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first 8 days (because Derubael harbors an unhealthy vendetta against the number 7) of every month will be a "raid vacation" for all Tier 1 guilds in regards to Tier 2 mobs (ie: T1 guilds can only kill T1 mobs in the first 8 days). They can use this time to avoid burnout, help out pals, fap, or whatever as long as they aren't raiding T2 mobs. During this 8 day period only Tier 2 guilds will be allowed to raid anything they want. the rest of the month (days 9-30or31) would be a FFA for all guilds on the server.

Because this is how I read his proposal:
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That's also super generous because I doubt you'd see more than a single 7-day spawn in 8 days, let alone all five (Tal, Sev, Gore, Inny, Fay). Now maybe if the PNP is adhered to (like it was these last two weeks), it might work. I'd do well in BDA, but the rest of "tier2" would get shafted. I don't speak for BDA, but since tier2 has supported BDA, it looks like BDA is supporting tier2.

[YendorLootmonkey]

The high stakes for PNP infractions here turns this into FrapsQuest/RulesLawyerQuest.

[Troubled]

Either I'm reading these proposals wrong or they keep getting more top heavy and leave the t2 guilds worse off and trying to get them to fight for scraps.

Thanks for thinking up a proposal though, Sirken. It's definitely time consuming, and certainly not an easy task to undertake.

[Tycko]

Assumptions:
Staff wants to minimize CSR => Staff wants to let server govern themselves.
Staff does not want 1-2 guilds dominating raid content.

Over the past few months I have seen the staff take a neutral position in most things. I don't understand why the staff is getting so involved in the creation of the "Treaty of P99" , from all the posts I have read you guys seem to be moving away from a neutral position.

This entire series of events was set in motion by a guild suspension. In the process of suspending said guild, the staff ( via Rogean ) put out a message for the direction the staff wants the server to take.

What were the staffs objectives and goals?
*Lower petition ques?
*Reduce CSR time?
*Increase player base with access to specific raid mobs?

The point I am trying to make is, you obviously care about what direction this server goes to, for whatever direction that may be. Yet you leave it up for the server to "figure out on our own." Now after 2 weeks the entire server is raid banned and staff proposals that are designed to finalize a deal are being promoted.

So since your now directly involved , why not just MAKE IT the way you wanted it. Because all this wiggle room just leads to everyone's different interpretation of your "vision".

There have been enough quotes from the original post from Rogean so I'll just wrap this up by saying, everyone interpreted the intent of that post differently. You need to lead the way to reaching those objectives and goals. I may be wrong, but it appears the staff has spent WAY more time and energy on this than what was intended.

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TL/DR summary:
You obviously wanted something to change on the server. You wanted the playerbase to be apart of that change. You now have input from all raid guilds on what they want. Just make the changes so everyone can adapt or move on.


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It blows me away how much time you guys invest in this as a "hobby" and I hope you all had a great Christmas and New Year. Thanks for providing this great server , I have had a lot of fun times in my 2-3 years in the community.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This one?
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Am I reading Sirken's proposal wrong?

Because this is how I read his proposal:
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That's also super generous because I doubt you'd see more than a single 7-day spawn in 8 days, let alone all five (Tal, Sev, Gore, Inny, Fay). Now maybe if the PNP is adhered to (like it was these last two weeks), it might work. I'd do well in BDA, but the rest of "tier2" would get shafted. I don't speak for BDA, but since tier2 has supported BDA, it looks like BDA is supporting tier2.

The second one is Sirkens proposal.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The high stakes for PNP infractions here turns this into FrapsQuest/RulesLawyerQuest.

its already fraps and rules lawyers man

[Troubled]

Out of all the T1/Sirken/Deru proposals, FE's, conceded to 10 days at the start of the month, is certainly the most appealing.

[Buriedpast]

Should we just come back to the idea of a bag limit style raid?

Or a raid in which you have a limited amount of people per week? So BDA can use 50 people for trak, and TMO can use 30.

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[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This one?
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Am I reading Sirken's proposal wrong?

Because this is how I read his proposal:
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That's also super generous because I doubt you'd see more than a single 7-day spawn in 8 days, let alone all five (Tal, Sev, Gore, Inny, Fay). Now maybe if the PNP is adhered to (like it was these last two weeks), it might work. I'd do well in BDA, but the rest of "tier2" would get shafted. I don't speak for BDA, but since tier2 has supported BDA, it looks like BDA is supporting tier2.

You could be right, I brought TMO's hands off 20 days into it. I think that makes sense. I'll just post a hybrid version with sirken's. Would be 110% fair.

[Buriedpast]

Remember a bag limit still has all the rushing to mobs etc. Can still have the no poopsock rules, no DA stalling etc. All of those tertiary rules that we need.

And can add stuff like no bagged mob by TMOFEIB can be killed by TMOFEIB on its respawn for instance.