Sirken's proposal

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In case everyone forgot, the casual guilds REFUSED to pull every dirty trick in the book to get those targets. We refused to DA stall tank, "accidentally" train, leapfrog, FTE snipe, rules lawyer, manipulate logs, ninja loot, buy up hundreds of accounts, etc etc

Hey Chest buddy. Raiding actually isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Those incidents all happen but are few and far between. This is for you and everyone else who choose not to put in effort to kill raid mobs, but keep referencing all this "toxic" shit that happens and how you're morally above all that.

You know how shit usually goes? Batphone goes out, we log into VS pit, TMO has FTE and kill the mob, we go park at the next target and log off. I'm not going to search for it, but this morning I read a post from one of the GMs, that 80% of engages go perfectly smoothly and don't involve any of this drama.

I know this is literally the only argument that you (and many many others) have for why you want to do nothing, and still get free shots at mobs. But it's been debunked.

[Rhambuk]

80% of engages go perfectly smoothly with tmo engaging and moving on.


That's a problem...

[Exmo]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we log into VS pit

And there's something else that needs to be stopped, while we're on the topic.

Ban any toon that gets camped at a raid mob.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Exmo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And there's something else that needs to be stopped, while we're on the topic.

Ban any toon that gets camped at a raid mob.

read sirken's proposal since you are posting on this topic.

[Exmo]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

read sirken's proposal since you are posting on this topic.

Did. I was just commenting on the fact that it was posted as if the status quo wasn't an issue, since 80% of the raids happen like that.

Wasn't trying to derail, just saying that logging in the camped force isn't causing problems is backwards. It IS the problem (Among others).

I actually Like Mez's modified version of this, but I can see why FE/TMO are less receptive.

[Imslap]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Chest buddy. Raiding actually isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Those incidents all happen but are few and far between. You and everyone else who choose not to put in effort to kill raid mobs keep referencing all this "toxic" shit that happens and how you're morally above all that.

You know how shit usually goes? Batphone goes out, we log into VS pit, TMO has FTE and kill the mob, we go park at the next target and log off. I'm not going to search for it, but this morning I read a post from one of the GMs, that 80% of engages go perfectly smoothly and don't involve any of this drama.

I know this is literally the only argument that you (and many many others) have for why you want to do nothing, and still get free shots at mobs. But it's been debunked.

Or FE/IB has FTE and TMO moves on to the next target and log out.

+100 Hitpoint the Logical

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Chest buddy. Raiding actually isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Those incidents all happen but are few and far between. This is for you and everyone else who choose not to put in effort to kill raid mobs, but keep referencing all this "toxic" shit that happens and how you're morally above all that.

You know how shit usually goes? Batphone goes out, we log into VS pit, TMO has FTE and kill the mob, we go park at the next target and log off. I'm not going to search for it, but this morning I read a post from one of the GMs, that 80% of engages go perfectly smoothly and don't involve any of this drama.

I know this is literally the only argument that you (and many many others) have for why you want to do nothing, and still get free shots at mobs. But it's been debunked.

Yes, I imagine things go very smoothly once you've spent several months pulling the wings off the butterflies.

Most of us checked out of your stupid "competition" after a very brief exposure to it.

What did you win, really? Now you're finding out what baggage it came with.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of us checked out of your stupid "competition" after a very brief exposure to it.

Then you don't like raiding. I do. Lets agree to disagree.

What did you win, really? Now you're finding out what baggage it came with.

I had fun.

Baggage? The only thing I hate about this is how far it has been allowed to go. I was fine when our very first proposal was drafted and posted on our guild forums. The one that gave up lots of mobs every month, and attempted to make the server's raid scene better for everyone else. This all happened the day before it was announced that we had to do this under threat of suspension. Yes that's right; FE officers, IB officers, and TMO officers agreed to that proposal on their own, without GMs forcing them to. Now every other guild is just trying to get as much as they possibly can with disregard to what's fair.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you don't like raiding. I do. Lets agree to disagree.



I had fun.

Baggage? The only thing I hate about this is how far it has been allowed to go. I was fine when our very first proposal was drafted and posted on our guild forums. The one that gave up lots of mobs every month, and attempted to make the server's raid scene better for everyone else. This was the day before Sirken posted that we had to do this under threat of suspension. Yea, our officers IB officers, and TMO officers agreed to that proposal on their own, without GMs forcing them. Now every other guild is just trying to get as much as they possibly can with disregard to what's fair.

Fair != 50/50 Split (yes) ///////////// Fair == 50/50 (no)

That seems to be the problem. Deru & Sirken tried to address that, but was scoffed by several individuals in the raid discussion forums.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you don't like raiding. I do. Lets agree to disagree.

It's not really fair to say someone doesn't like raiding because of the p99 raid scene, its not even remotely close to classic. For someone brand new to the server reading that its supposed to be as classic as possible and then seeing how the raid scene works it would blow their mind.

its a mess....it was NEVER supposed to be like this and its why there's a suspension right now to try and fix it.