With all due respect, Sirken, you're no Solomon.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also BDA has the most people online for any guild across the entire server 24/7. That isn't Tier 2 I'm sorry.

It has a lot of people online, because the vast majority of players are seeking a more casual experience from the game, but a lot of us want to be able to see some of the stuff that the upper tier guilds have been locking down.

Tier 1 in capacity? Probably. We've downed CT before, we've done some bigger bosses, as have a number of other "tier 2" guilds. But the vast majority of us don't like to play the game you all do. Tier 1 in terms of the attitude and the style of game we seek to play? Not even close. This isn't about anything other than that fact. Certainly, Tier 2 should have defenses so that no one guild can monopolize or even be complete douchebags in Tier 2. Numerous times I have seen the BDA representatives arguing for these things, things that are less beneficial to BDA in a purely competitive way, but far more beneficial to us in the style of play we seek. Yes, in a pure tiered raiding system, there is the threat that a guild with the capacity of BDA could dominate their tier, but that's thinking like a tier 1 guild. That's why Bregan reps have been perfectly fine with the idea of a percentage of casual kills, or wanting to go into VP as making you tier 1, so that way a guild (BDA or another in the future) can't do to tier 2 what we are arguing against.

You're looking for people to want to play in the shitshow of hardcore competitive raiding, but the vast majority don't like that. You can't pull people into it who don't want to be into that. If you can't make hardcore competition appealing enough to those involved to sustain hardcore competition, maybe the issue isn't in people are just too casual, maybe you're just too hardcore to compete for people playing a 14 year old elf simulator, many of whom are just sort of done with the stage in their lives in which they measure their epeen based on hardcore attitudes. You all can play tier 1 the way you all always have, and while I don't speak for BDA (as I am just a member), I can say that from my experiences with these people, that most people here do not want to play the game you all do. I certainly don't.

People really need to realize that not everyone thinks in terms of maximum material utility. Utilitarianism has been a corpse in political thought for at least half a century, if not more. Not everyone thinks of what they can do to take the most toys in the box. It isn't wrong to think that, nor is it wrong to not think that. But you can't expect the other to play by those rules, and for everything to work out right. Political science is against you if you think that that can work.

"I just don't see how any guild, GM or guide can dictate any guild to adapt to a play style they don't want to. Focus on that, figure how the two different sides can adapt it to this problem. Limiting NPCs to one tier or another and forced into the other side's play style is the second biggest issue." -Ambrotos