Rogean fix your server

[fastboy21]

The very title of this thread is rude.

How dare you say something like this to Rogean. You play FOR FREE on his server that, according to you, needs fixing. He doesn't have to do shit for you or anyone else.

[Man0warr]

But guess what, there are a few hundred people that still play hard core and want to play hard core.

A few hundred vs a couple thousand, sounds like you are the minority.

My classic experience is from The Rathe, which had a raid calendar that every guild followed and it had it's own forums for guilds to discuss issues.

I know several other servers had rotations and calendars up until instancing became the norm.

THIS SERVER ISN'T CLASSIC - outside of the mobs, loot, and mechanics.

Most servers didn't need a rotation, because there was only ever 1-3 guilds that ever had the capability to kill bleeding edge content - everything worked it self out most of the time because there was enough targets to go around.

Servers weren't stuck on Kunark for 3 years.

Servers didn't have 6-8 guilds capable of killing Trakanon.

Server's didn't have the majority of the player base with a max level character, nor was it classic for the top guilds to have alt armies of maxed out twinks camped at every competitive raid mob.

Therefore, a non classic solution is required. There is no way you can disagree with any of my points above.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

44 Mobs a month.

9+ guilds want those mobs

Math.

All those bonus xp weeks and weekends...

Appreciated of course by those who benefitted but this long of a time line in Kunark...

Shit's mad obvi.

Current agreement was good. Dunno what the hold up is.

Oh yeah, its OK to disagree with Rogean but don't be slurrin' him too hard esp in his own dojo.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because its different for you, why does it have to be different for everyone?

And if its different, stop labeling it as being original. If you are playing senior league rugby with the old fogies you call it that, you don't claim its the same league you played in when you were 25.

Rotation is not Classic for a vast majority of EQ Live veterans. Having end game dominated by a minority is Classic. People need to stop calling this EQ Classic just because it looks like it from a distance because once you immerse yourself its getting really, really far from Classic.

Yeah, people get to be nostalgic about killing big mobs like they did in 2000 when they played hard core, even though they don't play hard core anymore. (I repeat what Nirgon said, if you want to relive those old kills just go to EZ Server and get your rocks off).

But guess what, there are a few hundred people that still play hard core and want to play hard core. Point 1) Right now TMO/FE/IB players are basically being told this isn't a server for our playstyle, even though it has been for many years now. These guilds were basically fine with last weeks agreement. We agreed to not be douchebags to each other and that what we all wanted was to raid, and that we would communicate and try to solve problems between us.

Point 2) Its the casual raider wanting the hardcore experience that is holding the server back at this point.

Point 3) Again, I repeat, if we want a hybrid of competition and non-competition, then add a system to trigger raid mobs and let all guild leaders do this occasionally, at their own leisure and on their own schedule.

Point 1) No one's saying your style of play is wrong, or should be done away with. The proposed 1 1 1 plan actually gives your style of play more reward than the other (more work, more loot, period), it just gives the non hardcore play style credence as well.

Point 2) That's the thing, the non hardcore crowd doesn't want the hardcore experience, that's what we're trying to avoid, but we have respect other people want it and we don't want you to not have your hardcore experience.

Point 3) The 1 1 1 plan encompasses both play styles beautifully and lets those who want to challenge the top tier while being in the low tier the ability to do so.

We don't want to take your cheesecake, we want peach blueberry pie.

[ravensloss]

Im sorry ive been laughing for days about how simple this situation really is. Right now the mob drops are more important than the players who wield them. A quick change of perspective might be in order. A player should allways be more important than a drop, because items can be made, players must be born.

[Whiteberry]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because its different for you, why does it have to be different for everyone?


But guess what, there are a few hundred people that still play hard core and want to play hard core. Right now TMO/FE/IB players are basically being told this isn't a server for our playstyle, even though it has been for many years now. These guilds were basically fine with last weeks agreement. We agreed to not be douchebags to each other and that what we all wanted was to raid, and that we would communicate and try to solve problems between us.

agreed

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its the casual raider wanting the hardcore experience that is holding the server back at this point.

[Galelor]

Originally Posted by Redstars [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You dont go to work and bitch about not getting a raise when you havent worked hard do you?

No one is getting paid to play on P99, as they would at work. If they are getting paid, it is against the rules of the server and they should not be here. The only reason people play this server is for utility, or happiness in the economical sense. Comparing playing p99 and working for cash moneys is not even close to a valid comparison.

Retort to your bad comparison - The majority of the server was not happy with poopsocking, and the other shit in the raid scene. It seriously is/was fucking stupid, and EQ live would not have lasted if it was like this on live. Where is the utility??? When people are grossly unhappy with their wages at work, do you know what they do? Start stealing, get a new job, or form a union... You can extrapolate this any way you see fit.

Overall - I think every single person interested in discussing this topic can agree that killing no or almost no raid mobs sucks. At a high level, and with a long enough duration, you will eventually quit. Guess what. That is what was/is going on for a lot of the players on the server. Word around town is that the raid scene on this server is awful. If you want this server to keep going strong, make the changes to keep the server health. Velious wont fix this, it just moves the goal line. There needs to be a real fix, and it needs to be fair for everyone who plays and wants to see content.

ps - There is a lot of finger pointing at the casual guilds saying they don't want to earn their loot. On live, obviously we had races to spawns, and if there was a wipe I well remember taking the kill over the bodies of the guild who got there first. So I might agree with this finger pointing. However, I also remember that most of the time there were no races... I keep remembering my live guilds earning loot because they built up the appropriate force and strategies to kill a mob.

[August]

"Generic one-sided argument that fails to consider any viewpoint but my own!"

[Nanjiro]

Originally Posted by mishurza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why should I hand over half the mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware the mobs were yours to "hand" out.

Forgive me master of the universe for talking out of line, may I please continue playing on 'your' server?

[mishurza]

Originally Posted by Nanjiro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware the mobs were yours to "hand" out.

Forgive me master of the universe for talking out of line, may I please continue playing on 'your' server?

Good to see you read more than 1 post of this thread.