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Old 08-28-2010, 10:42 AM
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I would guess that you have no education in logic. If you did, you would realize that your attempt to discredit his thoughts on the current economic situation is a petty ad hominem attack based on credentialism.

If you think he's not worth arguing with, then don't argue. If you're going to argue, argue the substance of his statements rather than speculate on his education. Anything else makes YOU appear ignorant.

I should add that I'm not a free market purist. I think the world is a very complicated place and most simplistic views are useful only for sounding smug over drinks. Unfettered free markets have already been tried. They look a whole lot like feudalism and life is just as hard in a company town as it is in a peasant village.
And I would agree with you completely. It is such a vastly complicated subject that no human being on this planet can claim to have any real grasp on how to fix a fundamental problem with the economy by simple actions alone.

The person that I quoted above is a shining example of such a person. Someone who thinks that their common sense economics theory is in any way realistic or accurate. Anyone who makes even a meager attempt to study the subject will feel utterly humbled and never make a response like that, which is why I made my assumption about his education.
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Old 08-28-2010, 11:10 AM
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And I would agree with you completely. It is such a vastly complicated subject that no human being on this planet can claim to have any real grasp on how to fix a fundamental problem with the economy by simple actions alone.

The person that I quoted above is a shining example of such a person. Someone who thinks that their common sense economics theory is in any way realistic or accurate. Anyone who makes even a meager attempt to study the subject will feel utterly humbled and never make a response like that, which is why I made my assumption about his education.
Well stated. I have no formal education in economics myself, but I am curious enough to have researched something about the differences between Miltonian and Keynesian theories, read some books and blogs and even had the chance to see Paul Krugman speak live (he's extremely humorous in person).

My personal opinion on the current economic malaise is that it's just another cyclical downturn. America is still extremely rich in natural resources and educational institutions. We've been buying from the rest of the world on credit and we have some fundamental suppliers trying to advance profits faster than the economy, including finance, energy, education, housing and health care. Things simply had to correct and correction is never much fun for anyone, especially whoever is left standing when the music stops.

In American culture, we seem to love scapegoats so we try to find someone to blame for our misfortunes: Bush, Obama, bankers, real estate brokers, public sector unions, private sector unions, whoever. Sometimes individuals or institutions actually did something illegal and/or immoral, but most of the time there's a systemic problem. I think our ongoing boom and bust cycle is systemic and that if we want it to stop, we need to change our government to be more foresightful. I have absolutely no idea how to make that happen.

As to the original topic of selling characters for platinum or real dollars, I don't have much opinion. I don't think it affects game play all that much. Reasonably good players willing to devote a lot of time to the game will coalesce regardless of whether they leveled their own characters or acquired them some other way. There will be people who like to powerlevel if the reward is cash or platinum or just another level 50 character. There will be people who like to farm platinum whether the result is real life profit or just a huge number in game.

Compared to the real world, the Project 1999 economy is very simple and will inevitably balance itself. If anything gets too far out of whack, it won't be hard for the developers to adjust things. I think this thread is just grumbling over a small thing and the most interesting aspect is this sub-theme about the current real world economy.
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Old 08-28-2010, 12:00 PM
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I actually graduated from Wharton School of Business at UPenn; and if I wanted to read about fundamental economical theory I'd open my old text books.

Stfu and keep making fun of Deviet. It makes me happy.
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:25 PM
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I actually graduated from Wharton School of Business at UPenn; and if I wanted to read about fundamental economical theory I'd open my old text books.

Stfu and keep making fun of Deviet. It makes me happy.
1. Your a fucking retard, 2. Fuck you 3. Get a fucking real life instead of jerkin to eq homo
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Old 08-28-2010, 01:41 PM
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1. Your a fucking retard, 2. Fuck you 3. Get a fucking real life instead of jerkin to eq homo
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Old 08-28-2010, 04:55 PM
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Responding to a point earlier before the derail: it's true that most people buying a 50 already have one if they have the money. The problem comes from when friends buy accounts for their friends or people start PMing the seller in hopes of paying cash. Believe it or not, the RMT bans haven't stopped people from buying and selling plat, I've had people ask me to sell them plat while selling manastones or trying to buy RBBs.
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Old 08-28-2010, 05:05 PM
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I don't understand why people are making this an issue of economics. Any trading of accounts/RMT inevitably ruins a server's sense of community. How is a guild supposed to know that person A is actually person A and not somebody who has traded their account info for plat or swapped for another account? What stops a person from paying for another account once they get bored of their own character(s)? EQ wasn't easy and it was time consuming, but that one was of it's strongest points. Degrading it to a flavor-of-the-month character via acct trading should be a bannable offense.

It's essentially being PLed by a chinese gold farmer, except rather than paying RMT for it you pay in-game plat, either way it's wrong.
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:23 PM
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:36 PM
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It's called English....
You should take your own advise and learn sentence structure.
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Old 08-28-2010, 10:06 PM
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