ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Mandalore93 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Def. a series that requires multiple reads imo.

This. Going through the series knowing what is to come makes a ton of details more pertinent.

Also

The Hound? Why do you ask? Don't be ridiculous! Oh yeah I remember..he's dead. Tried to help him though. I know I said I had awesome healing skills but...just didn't work out that time. Don't mind that cripple digging graves.

Sandor lives for sure. Whether or not he'll at some point go smash his undead brother in the face is the question.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sandor lives for sure. Whether or not he'll at some point go smash his undead brother in the face is the question.

so.. gregors head is shipped to dorne, which means he cant technically smash his undead brother in his face.

but that being said you touched on a pretty awesome theory .. we've never seen Robb Starks head, we only know that Joffrey requests it be sent to Kings Landing after the red wedding and before the purple wedding.

sooo.. we have Ser Robert Strong. if u google a german to english translator, you can see that Stark translates to Strong. and we havent seen Robb Starks head since the red wedding... and we havent ever seen Robert Strongs face/head

i think you can see where im going with this. what do u think? Robert Strong = undead Gregor with Robbs head crudely stitched on for a head

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

..what do u think? Robert Strong = undead Gregor with Robbs head crudely stitched on for a head

I just had the most absurd image pop into my head. Gregor's huge body + Robb's tiny head might just look like this (ignore the L.L. Bean outfit, of course):

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[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just had the most absurd image pop into my head. Gregor's huge body + Robb's tiny head might just look like this (ignore the L.L. Bean outfit, of course):

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Lol, that thing gave me nightmares when I was a kid.

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so.. gregors head is shipped to dorne, which means he cant technically smash his undead brother in his face.

but that being said you touched on a pretty awesome theory .. we've never seen Robb Starks head, we only know that Joffrey requests it be sent to Kings Landing after the red wedding and before the purple wedding.

sooo.. we have Ser Robert Strong. if u google a german to english translator, you can see that Stark translates to Strong. and we havent seen Robb Starks head since the red wedding... and we havent ever seen Robert Strongs face/head

i think you can see where im going with this. what do u think? Robert Strong = undead Gregor with Robbs head crudely stitched on for a head

Awesome, I've not heard that one before. Nice hints in the name as well.

I have always presumed that the large head sent to Dorne belonged to one of the dwarfs Cersei had killed. In particular I can vaguely remember thinking it was the "sparrow" wandering dwarf septon's head for some reason. I also think Cersei makes a comment about not giving a shit who's head was sent - something about not knowing who a skull belongs to once its been cleaned.

Robb's missing head reminds me of another minor point - where are Ned Stark's bones? Greywater Watch? Does it even matter?

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have always presumed that the large head sent to Dorne belonged to one of the dwarfs Cersei had killed. In particular I can vaguely remember thinking it was the "sparrow" wandering dwarf septon's head for some reason. I also think Cersei makes a comment about not giving a shit who's head was sent - something about not knowing who a skull belongs to once its been cleaned.

Robb's missing head reminds me of another minor point - where are Ned Stark's bones? Greywater Watch? Does it even matter?

i think they wanted you to think that for shock value when its robb. Bran has this dream, There were shadows all around them. One Shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them loomed a Giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood. i believe the third person is robert strong before he has robbs head. just a crackpot theory, could easily be wrong, but i like to think im right.

as far as neds bones. i have a feeling they're at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed. their last known whereabouts was near Moat Cailin, which we were told was being harassed by crannogmen. So im thinking that they ended up at Greywater Watch, which would be seriously awesome because that means his bones are safe and well looked after at least by his old friend Howland Reed. we know that they haven't reached Barrowton yet according to Lady Barbrey Dustin, so they can't have gone much farther than Moat Cailin. and if they were seen at Moat Cailin a while ago, they SHOULD have reached Barrowton, so it stands to reason that Neds bones are at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed.

and i NEED this, because i NEED to see Howland Reed. hes the last person alive from the incident at the Tower of Joy. and the last person that can say for sure if R+L=J.

[Dalven]

Lol Sirken, let me see if I can keep up with that flurry.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think they wanted you to think that for shock value when its robb. Bran has this dream, There were shadows all around them. One Shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them loomed a Giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood. i believe the third person is robert strong before he has robbs head. just a crackpot theory, could easily be wrong, but i like to think im right.

as far as neds bones. i have a feeling they're at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed. their last known whereabouts was near Moat Cailin, which we were told was being harassed by crannogmen. So im thinking that they ended up at Greywater Watch, which would be seriously awesome because that means his bones are safe and well looked after at least by his old friend Howland Reed. we know that they haven't reached Barrowton yet according to Lady Barbrey Dustin, so they can't have gone much farther than Moat Cailin. and if they were seen at Moat Cailin a while ago, they SHOULD have reached Barrowton, so it stands to reason that Neds bones are at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed.

and i NEED this, because i NEED to see Howland Reed. hes the last person alive from the incident at the Tower of Joy. and the last person that can say for sure if R+L=J.

That passage you quoted is an interesting one for a lot of reasons - one must be the Hound, he has had an impact on both the Stark girls' life. A figure armoured like the sun leads me to think of Jaime and his golden armour but he hasn't really had a direct impact on either of them besides sending Brienne out to wander pointlessly in the riverlands. Perhaps his forthcoming confrontation with Stoneheart will shed light on this. Again I'm inclined to agree that the third figure is the Mountain but he hasn't had anything to do with Sansa although Arya was forced to witness some of his horrors. I hope your theory pans out tho, there must be a reason Robert Strong didn't lift his helm.

Howland Reed holds the key to R+L=J for sure but which PoV will get to him first? No one is near him at the minute so I reckon it'll be book seven before we see him.

All Sirken's Azor Ahai/PtwP stuff

You make a lot of good points. This knot gets more interesting as Dany is clearly being set up to be the obvious candidate but as has been shown people have misinterpreted that prophecy before. Melisandre's vision even specifically mentions Jon in ADWD during her POV chapter when she thinks of Azor Ahai. Jon is now in a position where he can be reborn and we can't really predict how this is going to happen at the moment, or what he is going to be like when he comes back. What do we know about the Prince that was Promised prophecy? I can't recall getting even a fable version like we got from Salladhor San about AA. Aegon is definitely a fake - I'm fond of the theory that he is Illyrio's son by his Blackfyre wife, but regardless of the truth of that nuance I'm certain he's a Blackfyre. Too much of the Blackfyre rebellion has been talked about in the Dunk and Egg novellas for it not to have an impact on the main story (btw has anyone read the new short story yet? Have got a copy of Dangerous Women but haven't read it yet - apparently a history of the first Dance of Dragons.)

Back on point - does anyone in Westeros know about Azor Ahai? Does Dany? Did Aemon? Although I think Moqorro is about to enlighten her - does this validate her as AA or are Red Priests just dumb all round?

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greetings, I just spent the last 3 weeks reading this thread from work.

I think it might be the other way around considering Aemon explicitly names Daenerys as the prince that was promised. While Melisandre saw Snow while looking in the fire after she asked for a glimpse of Azor Ahai.

Welcome to the deep end pal.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol Sirken, let me see if I can keep up with that flurry.
That passage you quoted is an interesting one for a lot of reasons - one must be the Hound, he has had an impact on both the Stark girls' life. A figure armoured like the sun leads me to think of Jaime and his golden armour

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Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Howland Reed holds the key to R+L=J for sure but which PoV will get to him first? No one is near him at the minute so I reckon it'll be book seven before we see him.

could give a PoV chapter to him? aside from that i could see davos, Asha, or Theon all having a chance to hit Greywater Watch as they are in the general vicinity.

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make a lot of good points. This knot gets more interesting as Dany is clearly being set up to be the obvious candidate but as has been shown people have misinterpreted that prophecy before. Melisandre's vision even specifically mentions Jon in ADWD during her POV chapter when she thinks of Azor Ahai. Jon is now in a position where he can be reborn and we can't really predict how this is going to happen at the moment, or what he is going to be like when he comes back. What do we know about the Prince that was Promised prophecy? I can't recall getting even a fable version like we got from Salladhor San about AA. Aegon is definitely a fake - I'm fond of the theory that he is Illyrio's son by his Blackfyre wife, but regardless of the truth of that nuance I'm certain he's a Blackfyre. Too much of the Blackfyre rebellion has been talked about in the Dunk and Egg novellas for it not to have an impact on the main story (btw has anyone read the new short story yet? Have got a copy of Dangerous Women but haven't read it yet - apparently a history of the first Dance of Dragons.) Back on point - does anyone in Westeros know about Azor Ahai? Does Dany? Did Aemon? Although I think Moqorro is about to enlighten her - does this validate her as AA or are Red Priests just dumb all round?

Dany=PTWP & Jon=AA ignore anything i said that contradicts that.

as far as PTWP infos, he song of ice and fire is said to be the prince that was promised's but the content remains unknown. the song of ice and fire is a subject of a prophecy and is eponymous for the A Song of Ice and Fire series.

At the House of the Undying, Daenerys Targaryen sees a man (Rhaegar Targaryen) and overhears him talking to a woman (Elia Martell) nursing a baby. "Aegon… What better name for a king… He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; When Rhaegar's eyes meet Daenerys's, he says either to her or Elia, "There must be one more… The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play.

However, neither Daenerys nor Ser Jorah Mormont know what the song of ice and fire means. It is implied that there is a connection between the song, the promise, and Daenerys herself. This is established more clearly when Maester Aemon identifies Daenerys as the "prince" that was promised.

The phrase "ice and fire" is also mentioned in the Reeds' oath of loyalty to Bran Stark. The phrase "ice and fire" appears two more times in the books as an example of opposites. However, the song and the promise are never mentioned again, and the song itself remains a mystery.

personally i think the two horns (the dragon horn (fire) that Vic has, and the northern horn (ice) sam has) will play the song of ice and fire. and i think it will involve Dany and Jon, as well as whitewalkers and dragons.

as far as melisandre, i think shes the least capable red priest we've encountered, with Thoros being better than her, and Moqurro being #2 of the order, should be better than Thoros

and yes some people in westeros do know of AA, but not enough. it feels limited to Maesters, historians, and nerds like Sam that are balls deep in the old books. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]