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[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure glad the days of all the casuals shitting all over tmo/fe/ib are over....LOL.

Me too. That was a rough time.

[Troubled]

First of all, stop calling the coalition of guilds that rotate R "some." It's bad spinning. Everyone with a presence in the raid scene in R is in the rotation but Dolj.

Secondly, they don't have to join the rotation. We don't have to like it. We like what we implemented within our community of like-minded players. They are welcome to do what they want within the scope of the rules.

That said, they know that class R has an agreement within itself and C class is where it's at for real competition. If you want to try and prey on the less competitive guilds, so be it. Personally, I think it would be wiser to band with the rest of R, make some friends, and actually have time to go after a target rather than the way it's been going for you. Maybe join the rotation until you're ready to move up. I promise we're having more fun.

You can PM me if you'd like to discuss it further.

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, they know that class R has an agreement within itself and C class is where it's at for real competition.

No, class R doesn't have an agreement. That's simply not accurate. The other guilds in class R have an agreement. It's not the same thing. If Lord Bob guild wants to do their own thing, they don't require the permission of the other guilds. Period. It doesn't matter how many agreements you have in place or who they are with. Unless and until you get the staff to enforce a rotation, all of this whining and bitching at them is nothing more than hot air. Meanwhile, they get to compete for FTE for every mob they want, as long as they don't break the rules. And those rules say nothing about rotations. You can whine at them and bitch about them all you want and the only people you'll be hurting is yourselves because ultimately, LordBobGuild is ultimately in charge of what mob they get, not some committee of busybodies who decides when or if they get a turn.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, class R doesn't have an agreement. That's simply not accurate. The other guilds in class R have an agreement. It's not the same thing. If Lord Bob guild wants to do their own thing, they don't require the permission of the other guilds. Period. It doesn't matter how many agreements you have in place or who they are with. Unless and until you get the staff to enforce a rotation, all of this whining and bitching at them is nothing more than hot air. Meanwhile, they get to compete for FTE for every mob they want, as long as they don't break the rules. And those rules say nothing about rotations. You can whine at them and bitch about them all you want and the only people you'll be hurting is yourselves because ultimately, LordBobGuild is ultimately in charge of what mob they get, not some committee of busybodies who decides when or if they get a turn.

They are still classless. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Class R has an agreement currently.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, class R doesn't have an agreement. That's simply not accurate. The other guilds in class R have an agreement. It's not the same thing. If Lord Bob guild wants to do their own thing, they don't require the permission of the other guilds. Period. It doesn't matter how many agreements you have in place or who they are with. Unless and until you get the staff to enforce a rotation, all of this whining and bitching at them is nothing more than hot air. Meanwhile, they get to compete for FTE for every mob they want, as long as they don't break the rules. And those rules say nothing about rotations. You can whine at them and bitch about them all you want and the only people you'll be hurting is yourselves because ultimately, LordBobGuild is ultimately in charge of what mob they get, not some committee of busybodies who decides when or if they get a turn.

This has literally already been said at least 10 times in this thread.

[Babayaaga]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, class R doesn't have an agreement. That's simply not accurate. The other guilds in class R have an agreement. It's not the same thing. If Lord Bob guild wants to do their own thing, they don't require the permission of the other guilds. Period. It doesn't matter how many agreements you have in place or who they are with. Unless and until you get the staff to enforce a rotation, all of this whining and bitching at them is nothing more than hot air. Meanwhile, they get to compete for FTE for every mob they want, as long as they don't break the rules. And those rules say nothing about rotations. You can whine at them and bitch about them all you want and the only people you'll be hurting is yourselves because ultimately, LordBobGuild is ultimately in charge of what mob they get, not some committee of busybodies who decides when or if they get a turn.

Let me try to re-write your paragraph from a different angle, using paragraph breaks where appropriate:

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No, class R doesn't have an agreement. That's simply not accurate. The guilds that have established themselves as Class R guilds are coincidentally the same guilds that came to a rotation agreement. There are other guilds that have entered these agreements but have not yet established themselves, but they have the full cooperation and support from the participating rotation agreement guilds. Unclassified guilds working towards "Class R" are able to enjoy the freedom to keep trying until they succeed because said agreement in conjunction with the defined ruleset of "Class R" provides this kind of flexible learning arena.

If Lord Bob wants to do their own thing, they don't require the permission of any other guild including the current pro-rotation participants, and they can absolutely choose not to enter into rotation agreements. Period. It doesn't matter how many agreements are in place or who chooses to participate in rotation or not. The staff will not enforce rotation, but they will be displeased if their petition queues start filling up again because of general asshattery and not look favourably upon whatever guild appears in most of the complaints--complaints that tend to arise from confusion and disagreements over FTE situations.

Any guild that wants to compete for FTE on any mob they want provided they are playing within the rules but outside of player-made arrangements designed to empower and enable new and upcoming guilds to succeed on raid content will earn the distain and disrespect of players who are trying to unselfishly work something out that is beneficial to the server as a whole. Cooperative guilds using these agreements can try to explain, define, and encourage Lord Bob until they are blue in the face but ultimately, LordBobGuild is in charge of their own destiny. If they choose to continue with their argumentative, uninformed and ignorant behaviour by refusing to cooperate with other established raiding guilds and instead undermine their efforts, they also are deciding what kind of reputation they want they want to define for themselves on P99.