Newsflash: <Doljonipals>

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, class R doesn't have an agreement. That's simply not accurate. The other guilds in class R have an agreement. It's not the same thing. If Lord Bob guild wants to do their own thing, they don't require the permission of the other guilds. Period. It doesn't matter how many agreements you have in place or who they are with. Unless and until you get the staff to enforce a rotation, all of this whining and bitching at them is nothing more than hot air. Meanwhile, they get to compete for FTE for every mob they want, as long as they don't break the rules. And those rules say nothing about rotations. You can whine at them and bitch about them all you want and the only people you'll be hurting is yourselves because ultimately, LordBobGuild is ultimately in charge of what mob they get, not some committee of busybodies who decides when or if they get a turn.

This has literally already been said at least 10 times in this thread.

[hynch]

I'm in KWSN and I support Bob Guild. Rotations are boring! Go play WoW!

[Miser]

Yeah, looks like it's just Dolj in class R that isn't in support of the rotation.

*rolls eyes*

I wonder if you removed guild tags from the equation, and let each person's vote count, how "unanimous" this rotation would be. Also, gotta love people calling Dolj obtuse when they also think that class C is where we should be playing. Nefarum pretty much hit this on the head...

Why is there nothing between shitting in socks and taking turns, in your world? Why can't there be casual competition between (more or less) equals?

[Bazia]

Jesus, they are not assholes for not wanting to play the way you like to play.

After literally years of complaining from multiple guilds about TMO accusing them of being assholes for trying to "force" you all to the play the way they do this is incredibly hypocritical.

Really hope Lord Bob guild is around when I get back from deployment in June, I would love to join a newish group of headstrong players who don't mind working against hte grain if it results in more loot/raids for their members.

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Miser [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, looks like it's just Dolj in class R that isn't in support of the rotation.

*rolls eyes*

I wonder if you removed guild tags from the equation, and let each person's vote count, how "unanimous" this rotation would be. Also, gotta love people calling Dolj obtuse when they also think that class C is where we should be playing. Nefarum pretty much hit this on the head...

Why is there nothing between shitting in socks and taking turns, in your world? Why can't there be casual competition between (more or less) equals?

Actually you're right about everything except Bob guild being in class R. Everyone in class R supports the rotation. Proof - http://www.project1999.com/raid.php

Class R Guilds:
Azure Guard
Bregan D`Aerth
Divinity
Europa
Taken

[Bazia]

nice so they dont have to follow any rules haha wtf

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by oddibemcd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm in an R guild and I respect what LB is doing and I don't even think it's obnoxious.

First, if they really want to move up to C guild raiding, they need experience in racing. There is a big difference between getting two hours to set up for a Trak pull and two minutes. So, if they ever want to learn those nuances (which I sure as hell don't know...but I know they exist) the only way to get that experience is to race class R guilds.

Second, people claim they are picking on guilds...but they aren't winning those races yet. Why would they want to race BDA when they can't win a race against a guild with many fewer members? If LB starts to consistently win races against Supremacy, Ni...I'd expect the to start racing AG/Europa, if they start winning those races, then they'd race Div...Taken...BDA. Why would they want to start racing against the guilds that they'd have very little chance against? They'd want to develop strategies and then move up. If 12 months from now they just block one guild from their targets, then it'd be time to name call, not now.


TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R GL Lord Bob.

Then initially they should be racing the easier guilds. They're racing AG and Europa - and on the same mob - why not choose an easier guild/mob?

Their current strategy makes no sense unless they're after a specific drop for a specific person. (a big nono)

I fully expect once they've raced and beaten BDA atleast once they'll attempt to race the C guilds. If that doesn't materialise, the term dickheads is fully justified. Ofcourse, shitting up the sky agreement that even the class C guilds have agreed to is a dick move in itself - there really is no argument there.

TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R Their current strategy doesn't tie in with what they're saying.

[hynch]

I wonder if you guys would still find a way to complain if the GMs were just handing you loot every 3 days?

[Shaakglith12194]

Lord Bob working within the rules laid forth doesn't make them assholes. I can't speak for all of the R guilds, but from what I've gathered, R is mostly casual, cool players who like to play EverQuest in a relaxed fashion and don't like the idea that if they fail on a single attempt and Lord Bob succeeds right afterwards, they could get knocked out of that mob's rotation (if I'm understanding the agreement correctly). That's not relaxed and the fact that that pressure is being put on them, after every other raid capable guild has come to an agreement, fosters hatred.

This server is as close to classic as we'll ever get, but with the extended Kunark period and no progression beyond Velious, it makes things different than they were on Live. By the time PoP was out, at least on my server, "family style guilds" like the ones that are in the R tier (again, can't speak for them all), would be downing NToV dragons, ST, and Gods. Being casual, they got to experience the raiding of EverQuest without having to be online 16 hours a day. That's not going to happen on this server without this kind of raid policy going all the way through NToV/ST/VP at some point down the line. The fact that the guilds capable of killing these uber dragons/gods have come to an agreement on how everyone can do it (except Lord Bob who doesn't want to be a part of it) is really awesome.

If Lord Bob was smart, they would join the agreement until they were sure they could mobilize faster than the competition. It's still practice to mobilize as quickly as possible, except people actually let you kill the target. Seriously, does any player want to sit around waiting/buffing for any longer than they absolutely have to?

One of three things is going to happen:
1) Lord Bob is going to get the levels/resists/organization to mobilize quickly enough to hit their bag limit every time and get mobs from class R/FFA
2) Lord Bob's members are going to get tired of leaving exp groups, mobilizing, wiping, and getting blocked from getting kills so often that they're going to leave for guilds that actually get the kills
3) They're going to wise up and join the class R guild rotation agreement until they're strong enough and organized enough that they can beat every other class R guild by virtue of competition

I don't know Lord Bob's guild leader, but if his ego overcomes common sense, #2 is the most likely outcome. If they suddenly want to join the class R raid agreement, then #3 is probably happening. Otherwise, #1 is a long, hard road. Can they do it? Maybe.

I wish all guilds good luck in their attempts to down their targets, regardless of class. Honestly, though I hope Lord Bob burns out so that even smaller guilds than the ones in Class R currently can have an attempt or two at a mob, because I think the most fun in EverQuest is trying to overcome a great challenge with people that you like, and then doing it. The sense of satisfaction of growing with a group of people and helping them grow is unbelievable. I think that's what most Class R guilds are looking for, and I think Lord Bob doing what they've been doing threatens that, so that's maybe why Class R guild members generally don't like them. Anyway, enough ranting, no hard feelings, Lord Bob. Right now, you're just the right amount of competition.

[Miser]

I, for one, think that joining the rotation until geared enough to drop the competition would be extremely fucking dirty. At least we've been very clear where we stand and haven't resorted to this kind of manipulation.