ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Dalven]

Lol Sirken, let me see if I can keep up with that flurry.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think they wanted you to think that for shock value when its robb. Bran has this dream, There were shadows all around them. One Shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them loomed a Giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood. i believe the third person is robert strong before he has robbs head. just a crackpot theory, could easily be wrong, but i like to think im right.

as far as neds bones. i have a feeling they're at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed. their last known whereabouts was near Moat Cailin, which we were told was being harassed by crannogmen. So im thinking that they ended up at Greywater Watch, which would be seriously awesome because that means his bones are safe and well looked after at least by his old friend Howland Reed. we know that they haven't reached Barrowton yet according to Lady Barbrey Dustin, so they can't have gone much farther than Moat Cailin. and if they were seen at Moat Cailin a while ago, they SHOULD have reached Barrowton, so it stands to reason that Neds bones are at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed.

and i NEED this, because i NEED to see Howland Reed. hes the last person alive from the incident at the Tower of Joy. and the last person that can say for sure if R+L=J.

That passage you quoted is an interesting one for a lot of reasons - one must be the Hound, he has had an impact on both the Stark girls' life. A figure armoured like the sun leads me to think of Jaime and his golden armour but he hasn't really had a direct impact on either of them besides sending Brienne out to wander pointlessly in the riverlands. Perhaps his forthcoming confrontation with Stoneheart will shed light on this. Again I'm inclined to agree that the third figure is the Mountain but he hasn't had anything to do with Sansa although Arya was forced to witness some of his horrors. I hope your theory pans out tho, there must be a reason Robert Strong didn't lift his helm.

Howland Reed holds the key to R+L=J for sure but which PoV will get to him first? No one is near him at the minute so I reckon it'll be book seven before we see him.

All Sirken's Azor Ahai/PtwP stuff

You make a lot of good points. This knot gets more interesting as Dany is clearly being set up to be the obvious candidate but as has been shown people have misinterpreted that prophecy before. Melisandre's vision even specifically mentions Jon in ADWD during her POV chapter when she thinks of Azor Ahai. Jon is now in a position where he can be reborn and we can't really predict how this is going to happen at the moment, or what he is going to be like when he comes back. What do we know about the Prince that was Promised prophecy? I can't recall getting even a fable version like we got from Salladhor San about AA. Aegon is definitely a fake - I'm fond of the theory that he is Illyrio's son by his Blackfyre wife, but regardless of the truth of that nuance I'm certain he's a Blackfyre. Too much of the Blackfyre rebellion has been talked about in the Dunk and Egg novellas for it not to have an impact on the main story (btw has anyone read the new short story yet? Have got a copy of Dangerous Women but haven't read it yet - apparently a history of the first Dance of Dragons.)

Back on point - does anyone in Westeros know about Azor Ahai? Does Dany? Did Aemon? Although I think Moqorro is about to enlighten her - does this validate her as AA or are Red Priests just dumb all round?

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greetings, I just spent the last 3 weeks reading this thread from work.

I think it might be the other way around considering Aemon explicitly names Daenerys as the prince that was promised. While Melisandre saw Snow while looking in the fire after she asked for a glimpse of Azor Ahai.

Welcome to the deep end pal.

[Funkutron5000]

For those of you interested in GoT/ Olympics crossovers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9Ji7DvsjU

Charles Dance owns. Gonna miss Tywin.

[Dalven]

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For those of you interested in GoT/ Olympics crossovers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9Ji7DvsjU

Charles Dance owns. Gonna miss Tywin.

Guy is one of the best castings in the series for sure. While I was disappointed when he didn't have massive blond lamb chops like he did in the book I can probably take him a bit more seriously without.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

according to some bullshit i was reading, far and away Dany the most likely candidate for Azor Ahai, Dany fits all the requirements. She awoke the dragons out of her petrified stone eggs, on the very night she spotted the comet for the first time. (GoT, pg. 804). That night, there was smoke from the funeral pyre and salt from Dany’s tears. And she was ‘reborn’ in the sense that she emerged from the fire a stronger person--a leader whom the Dothraki would follow.

But how does Dany’s story match up with Salladhor’s? Well, one suggestion has been that her dragons are actually Lightbringer, because they can produce fire. This makes a great amount of sense. Like Azor Ahai, Dany tried three times to make her weapon--once while putting them on a brazier (GoT, pg. 593), once while coming out of her fevered nightmares (GoT, pg. 753-754), and finally succeeding on the third try at Drogo’s pyre. Also, like Azor Ahai, Dany sacrificed her spouse to make her weapon, and drew the weapon out of a fire.

Other people merely think that Lightbringer is still a sword, and perhaps Dany will find it elsewhere, maybne in Asshai or far east. But the fact remains that, of all the candidates, Dany is the only one who has woken dragons out of stone. Unless another character is going to accomplish the same thing, Dany seems like a safe bet to be Azor Ahai reborn.

There is a theory that the real sword Lightbringer has been in Westeros the whole time, and it is the sword Dawn, the hereditary greatsword of House Dayne. The sword was made from the metal of a fallen meteorite. (CoK, pg. 332). Eddard carried Dawn back to Starfall after Arthur Dayne’s death (GoT, pg. 65). Perhaps Dany or another character will find the true Lightbringer there?

There is only one thing wrong with this theory. Dawn is described as being ‘pale as milkglass’ (GoT, pg. 425), while Lightbringer is known as the Red Sword of Heroes. However, besides this slight difference in color, there is no evidence against Dawn being Lightbringer



and lastly, no where is it written that "Azor Azai" and the "Prince that was Promised" are the same person. i personally have issues with Dany as AA. Melisandre sees a black haired man. Maybe its Stannis.. but i think its more likely Jon, and i think melisandre is starting to think this too. Jon is in ghost, Melisandre is gonna hit him with that epic click stick and he'll get a 96% rezz np. just like thoros and beric, and similar to the prologue.

at the end of the day, Dany will either die to save all of people from the white walkers (ie: think jesus dying for all the sins), or Dany will hook up with Jon, and together, their story is indeed what makes the song of ice and fire

I'm starting to wonder if Gendry will turn out to be Azor Ahai and Dany will be his Nissa Nissa. I wasn't too sure about your Dany/sacrifice theory, Sirken, but some of the clues might just fit. I spent some time today reading both the Lightbringer Prophecy and the chapter in ACoK with Dany in the House of the Undying Ones. Here are a few simple observations:

Azor Ahai forged Lightbringer himself. Gendry is a skilled blacksmith. He makes the steel "sing". (Btw, couldn't the sound Lightbringer would make during forging be what's behind the title: A Song of Ice and Fire? Maybe I'm reaching a little, will have to think more about this..) But doesn't it seem likely that when AA comes again he would need to have smithing skill?

One of the prophesies from the Undying Ones refers to "A blue-eyed king who casts no shadow raises a red sword in his hand." Gendry has blue eyes. Jon Snow's are grey.

I honestly can't remember if anyone else has talked about the Gendry theory in this thread...

I had more to post about Aegon and Dany but I gotta run for now. Let me know if you wanna discuss anything else from the House of the Undying Ones later.

[Sidelle]

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[Sidelle]

Ok, back on the appropriate subject...

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greetings, I just spent the last 3 weeks reading this thread from work.

I think it might be the other way around considering Aemon explicitly names Daenerys as the prince that was promised. While Melisandre saw Snow while looking in the fire after she asked for a glimpse of Azor Ahai.

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[Sidelle]

About Aegon. I just have this feeling that he's legit and that would make him the prince that was promised. When Dany was in the House of the Undying she saw a scene with Rhaegar and his wife, right after Aegon was born. He definitely proclaims his newborn son the prince that was promised.

I realize that anything Dany is supposed to see in the House is not exactly a guarantee. She was told (paraphrasing here) that she would see visions of things that have already happened, will happen in the future, and would never happen - but the scene with Rhaegar and his family (to me) is just a given.

As for Melisadre thinking maybe Jon is possibly Azor Ahai: I dunno. She seems like too much of a charlatan to me, even if she does get some of her predictions right. Plus, I don't think it's Jon because of the subtle clues; like him having the wrong eye color, for one.

I've been kind of spot-reading so I'm skipping around a lot when my intention was to read the books again start to finish. I'm sure I'll be back with more as I go.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

About Aegon. I just have this feeling that he's legit and that would make him the prince that was promised. When Dany was in the House of the Undying she saw a scene with Rhaegar and his wife, right after Aegon was born. He definitely proclaims his newborn son the prince that was promised.

I realize that anything Dany is supposed to see in the House is not exactly a guarantee. She was told (paraphrasing here) that she would see visions of things that have already happened, will happen in the future, and would never happen - but the scene with Rhaegar and his family (to me) is just a given.

As for Melisadre thinking maybe Jon is possibly Azor Ahai: I dunno. She seems like too much of a charlatan to me, even if she does get some of her predictions right. Plus, I don't think it's Jon because of the subtle clues; like him having the wrong eye color, for one.

I've been kind of spot-reading so I'm skipping around a lot when my intention was to read the books again start to finish. I'm sure I'll be back with more as I go.

I forgot to mention Maester Aemon saying Dany is the PtwP. At best, it just seemed like he was speculating and wasn't fully coherant (?) while he was on his death bed. That's just my take on it.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy is one of the best castings in the series for sure. While I was disappointed when he didn't have massive blond lamb chops like he did in the book I can probably take him a bit more seriously without.

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I'm gonna be reading Dangerous Women soon. Just haven't gotten around to it yet with all of my other catch-up reading. I haven't even read Dunk and Egg yet.

P.S. Really glad Tywin doesn't have those ugly chops in the show. Lol

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm starting to wonder if Gendry will turn out to be Azor Ahai and Dany will be his Nissa Nissa. I wasn't too sure about your Dany/sacrifice theory, Sirken, but some of the clues might just fit. I spent some time today reading both the Lightbringer Prophecy and the chapter in ACoK with Dany in the House of the Undying Ones. Here are a few simple observations:

Azor Ahai forged Lightbringer himself. Gendry is a skilled blacksmith. He makes the steel "sing". (Btw, couldn't the sound Lightbringer would make during forging be what's behind the title: A Song of Ice and Fire? Maybe I'm reaching a little, will have to think more about this..) But doesn't it seem likely that when AA comes again he would need to have smithing skill?

One of the prophesies from the Undying Ones refers to "A blue-eyed king who casts no shadow raises a red sword in his hand." Gendry has blue eyes. Jon Snow's are grey.

I honestly can't remember if anyone else has talked about the Gendry theory in this thread...

I had more to post about Aegon and Dany but I gotta run for now. Let me know if you wanna discuss anything else from the House of the Undying Ones later.

I just realized I am assuming too much about Lightbringer here. Does it still exist somewhere? I need to read more. My thoughts on Gendry might make more sense if he actually had to forge the sword. Lol. Taking off tinfoil hat for now. Bedtime. It's been fun.