ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm starting to wonder if Gendry will turn out to be Azor Ahai and Dany will be his Nissa Nissa. I wasn't too sure about your Dany/sacrifice theory, Sirken, but some of the clues might just fit. I spent some time today reading both the Lightbringer Prophecy and the chapter in ACoK with Dany in the House of the Undying Ones. Here are a few simple observations:

Azor Ahai forged Lightbringer himself. Gendry is a skilled blacksmith. He makes the steel "sing". (Btw, couldn't the sound Lightbringer would make during forging be what's behind the title: A Song of Ice and Fire? Maybe I'm reaching a little, will have to think more about this..) But doesn't it seem likely that when AA comes again he would need to have smithing skill?

One of the prophesies from the Undying Ones refers to "A blue-eyed king who casts no shadow raises a red sword in his hand." Gendry has blue eyes. Jon Snow's are grey.

I honestly can't remember if anyone else has talked about the Gendry theory in this thread...

I had more to post about Aegon and Dany but I gotta run for now. Let me know if you wanna discuss anything else from the House of the Undying Ones later.

I just realized I am assuming too much about Lightbringer here. Does it still exist somewhere? I need to read more. My thoughts on Gendry might make more sense if he actually had to forge the sword. Lol. Taking off tinfoil hat for now. Bedtime. It's been fun.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just realized I am assuming too much about Lightbringer here. Does it still exist somewhere? I need to read more. My thoughts on Gendry might make more sense if he actually had to forge the sword. Lol. Taking off tinfoil hat for now. Bedtime. It's been fun.

ohh Lightbringer. theres a lot of theories on this, including that Lightbringer is actually the Nights Watch because of their oath

Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come.

Lightbringer is supposed to give off heat; the Night's Watch burns against the cold. It is the "light that brings the dawn." The original defeat of the Others is called the Battle for the Dawn. Could this mean that Lightbringer has been staring us in the face practically the entire time? The Azor Ahai legend and the origin of the Night's Watch are, we're led to believe, roughly contemporary. Azor Ahai's legend has to do with defeating the Others, which is also the Night's Watch's mission. As such, the AA legend and the Night's Watch are inexorably linked. The "wielder of Lightbringer" might simply mean the person who commands the Night's Watch. For all we know, AA might himself have been the founding Lord Commander. It also occurred to me that AA's sacrifice of Nissa Nissa might somehow tie into the Night's Watch promise to not take wives. We understand that promise to simply be putting duty before familial loyalty, but what if there's more to it? If AA did sacrifice Nissa Nissa to "forge" Lightbringer, and the Night's Watch is itself Lightbringer, then the rule against taking wives literally goes back to the first days of the Watch and has a deep symbolic meaning beyond just utility.

and then you have the dragon horn, "... a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword." Euron Crow's Eye supposedly got his dragon horn from the flames of Valyria in the remnants of the Doom. "To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered." (whether AA did this or not) that it requires human sacrifice, and that no animal/creature may be replaced. Remember that the blower of Euron's Valyrian Horn must die.

then u have Dawn. Dawn is the ancestral greatsword of House Dayne, who bestow the title Sword of the Morning on the sword's bearer. It is said to be made from metal forged from the heart of a fallen star. Its blade is as pale as milkglass. The name of the Daynes' castle, Starfall, and their arms, featuring a white sword and falling star, both reference Dawn. The blade is said to be just as sharp as Valyrian steel but where that is dark, the blade of Dawn is milky white. The last known user of the sword was Ser Arthur Dayne, who died at the Tower of Joy. After the fight, Eddard Stark rode to Starfall to deliver Dawn to Arthur's sister Ashara Dayne. Dawn is said to be "alive with lite". Dawn is mentioned in every book, yet we've never seen it. Dawn is only given to those worthy enough to wield it, and is not automatically passed down from one generation to the next. And when you mix all that together, i think it means Dawn is important, and has a role. could that role be Lightbringer, i dont know, but i think we cant rule out the possibility. we KNOW stannis' sword is fake, and simply a glamor she put on the sword similar to thoros sword at the iron isle invasion, and then Aemon points out stannis' sword was not hot, and lightbringer radiates heat. Dawn is not burning out either, but maybe it could when AA wields it, and the Daynes are the custodians of lightbringer.

if Lightbringer is an actual sword, i think it will be Dawn (fun fact, if Jon Snow is AA, and if LB=Dawn, then it means Lightbringer was right there when AA was born if R+L=J)

if Lightbringer is not an actual sword, i think it is a metaphor for the nightswatch, and i think that the lord commander could be AA. we also know that the battle for the dawn was against the others, that common foe of the nights watch.