Chardok

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're either arguing that the mechanic itself isn't classic (it is), or that the use of the mechanic isn't classic (good luck debating this).

I'm not sure how this is getting missed, but it seems to me there were two things being argued:

1. whether or not AoE groups were classic
2. whether or not the fact that AoE groups were popular for grinding AAs in Luclin was relevant to the conversation

#1 = Yes, and #2 = No ... so everyone was right; y'all are just talking past each other.

/ducks ensuing flames [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, people.

I asked if the resists should be higher from the standpoint of "is it working properly"?

OH THAT. well. I have no idea. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could check player resists though, those don't seem to be as effective as I recall.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, people.

I asked if the resists should be higher from the standpoint of "is it working properly"?

Idk how people could answer this question, it's just going to be a handful of people who 'think' they saw more or less resist messages 12-14 years ago. Your just asking people to speculate

[August]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idk how people could answer this question, it's just going to be a handful of people who 'think' they saw more or less resist messages 12-14 years ago. Your just asking people to speculate

Speculation: As a forever-enchanter, even during classic timelines I remember that you needed to be 58+ for enc because of the amount of resists you would get at 56-57. You could have a 56-57 in the group, but you'd need 60s for compensation.

I'd say it's correct here. Groups w/o prior experience will wipe due to being uncoordinated. I remember it being 'nearly' useless as a leveling tool because you could only do it for a couple of levels as an enc, whereas the puller,cleric, and n ukes could start showing up at 54.

Then again you're completely right. It's hard to say exactly how many resists i'm getting. When you've got 120 mobs in camp all i see is 'stunned by scintillating colors' flooding my chat bar.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just asking people to speculate

Pretty much. I thought this thread was full of speculation.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much. I thought this thread was full of speculation.

All I can say, anecdotally, is by watching these groups I don't think the resists are off. We're talking about a bunch of mobs that resist well enough you have to be 4-5 levels higher than the highest level of the mobs in order to have enough firepower to nuke them down because they resist often enough.

[Malone88]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on what kind of adjustment you are requiring. I know for enchanters, you basically HAVE to have 3 to do the large pulls, and usually at least 2 need to be 60. 3 lvl 58s will wipe you already.

If you increases resists much more you will just make it impossible. 58s already have large numbers of resists on the mobs. As far as enchanters are concerned, we have to stack our stuns all separately so that they come in at an offset cadence.

i.e. skew->slant->shift, shift->skew->slant, slant, shift, skew --- if you don't do this resists and lined-up stuns will cause some to break and typically 1 shot one of the chanters. Then the others will die.

I feel like chardok AOE is already a huge risk. It might seem easy but if the enchanters aren't timed perfect, the group will wipe. When I used to go, it was always the same 3 enchanters because we knew our shit, and adding a new one in almost always resulted in a wipe. If you increase resists I think you'll destroy 'dok AOE, but if that's your goal then i'm all for it.

^^^THIS^^^

This sums up my experience as a chanter, spot on. Plenty of resists to cause wipes. Some nights things run smoothly, others there are plenty of wipes. Feels good to have puller/chanters/cleric all working together to pull off a successful pull.

I grinded out 57 levels without ever doing an AOE group. Was a fun and eye-opening experience going to Chardok for the first time. Completely different approach to playing my character. Would hate to see it go.

Also, there are times when the AOE group isn't going. Have crawled in with a group to get betrayer as well, so you just have to pick the right time.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, people.

I asked if the resists should be higher from the standpoint of "is it working properly"?

I speculate that the resists are fine. This is just a case of people having been around the block and knowing to take advantage of Chardok more than on Live.

Resists are pretty brutal as other people have already said. 3 enchanters and at least 1 must be 60. I started in there on my chanter at 56 and caused more than a few wipes. And I got plenty of resists even at 60.

I spent 3.5 levels in there on my chanter and I would say I averaged a 60% success rate on pulls. 40% resulting in untimely death.

In my opinion that is a pretty good risk vs reward ratio.

[MasterKiljaedon]

I guess Chardok aoe groups is classic but using someone with high faction in chardok to make massive pulls does seem to feel like an exploit. I do not remember that being the pulling method in original eq.

[Tasslehofp99]

I don't know if I'm alone here or what but on prexus there were never AE groups in chardok. I don't even think it worked there, but seb....now that's where AE groups were popular on prexus from kunark to planes of power (ppl would stop at lvl 60 to grind aa's)


I suspect AE groups in chardok on p99 are deffinetly the result of some game mechanic not being classic/accurate. Alas I have no proof nor do I care enough to attempt finding it, not like there aren't other non classic features of p99 anyway.