Informal Petition Against Buying Into Early Velious

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The title speaks for itself but I made this thread because everyone I talk to is against the idea of gms allowing people to buy their way into early Velious.

I am asking for replies to be signatures if you agree. Of course if you disagree you can post as well but let's keep this constructive.

Generally I am hoping for some compromise. That is I am not asking for you to remove the xp pots or the guise and fungus staff raffles or the early beta access. However selling off first rights to Velious in fact cheapens the amount of work that has gone into it because the money goes to Pantheon! This server has never been pay to play not because the players refuse to pay but instead because Nilbog and rogaen deem it to be so.

I hope that if this thread generates enough interest you will seriously consider changing your position on the matter

Thanks
Svenn of A-Team

naw

Originally Posted by Daysprung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think the p1999 dev team isn't getting money out of this I'd say you're being naive.

naw

Originally Posted by Burrito [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't look at the pledge rewards- but I definately remember there being a distinct beta/early access. It seems they went back on that and offered early access at differant tiers which does help a bit and alleviate some of the stress on people paying premium for access.

I guess people will still try to lockdown camps.

naw, velious rewards never changed, just the xp pots and fungi staff

Originally Posted by Dakidd4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're cute if you think it's free to play out of the kindness of their hearts. If any emulated EQ server charged to play they would be shut down by Sony within days at most. They would likely receive a cease and desist within hours. I would gladly pay $15 a month to play P99 for some minor bonuses each month (Maybe a couple exp pots?) and to generally improve the server but there's no way in hell Sony would allow it. Otherwise I'm pretty sure it would've been attempted already.

Don't even get me started on paying for early Velious access.... I would've preferred that they give people beta access for donating to Pantheon. Giving people a headstart on LIVE servers is horsesh*t.

naw, see hidden forest/ez server

Originally Posted by shorttin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this and/or being given the opportunity for a full time job once the game gets going...

naw

Originally Posted by csc2153 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This 3 day head start wont mean a damned thing.

this. not going to make a single bit of difference 1 month into release. we saw a project that was being made specifically to cater to our interests as gamers, and our players interests as gamers, and said 'we need to do something big to help these guys.'

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troll.

I havent received my check yet. Will be glad when it gets here.

sry haynar, you know how slow our payroll department is. I'm sure that $0.00 check is on its way. <3

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this. not going to make a single bit of difference 1 month into release.

I feel like an ass since I've posted this 10 times and I'm repeating myself in every thread that mentions the $$ rewards, but apparently it's not getting read. Anyways, I'm not sure what EverQuest you played where having an opportunity to get your entire Velious geared raid force into WW an hour or more before another guild can get their Kunark geared raid force into WW isn't an advantage. And yes, getting quest armor, Kael armor, ToV armor, and ST keys will make a difference a month into Velious, that's what gear advantage is all about. That's why people raid competitively in the first place.

It's disappointing that the GMs just don't understand what a big deal this is. Advantages aside, it totally cheapens the fun of launching a new expansion.

Signed, this whole concept is still gross to me. Don't care much about exp pots or guises even though that is weird too, wish they would have just left it at that instead of marring the launch of Velious.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like an ass since I've posted this 10 times and I'm repeating myself in every thread that mentions the $$ rewards, but apparently it's not getting read. Anyways, I'm not sure what EverQuest you played where having an opportunity to get your entire Velious geared raid force into WW an hour or more before another guild can get their Kunark geared raid force into WW isn't an advantage. And yes, getting quest armor, Kael armor, ToV armor, and ST keys will make a difference a month into Velious, that's what gear advantage is all about. That's why people raid competitively in the first place.

It's disappointing that the GMs just don't understand what a big deal this is. Advantages aside, it totally cheapens the fun of launching a new expansion.

Signed, this whole concept is still gross to me. Don't care much about exp pots or guises even though that is weird too, wish they would have just left it at that instead of marring the launch of Velious.

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

[Moodie]

You have my John Hancock

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

TIL guides don't care about server firsts.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

........you obviously a not understanding which camp is effective and which isnt.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

This actually will happen on Red. WTB Server transfer from red to blue.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

Doesn't matter if they're assumptions, because P1999 has made it possible. Will one guild pay to get all of their main warriors and clerics into early Velious? No idea, but they could. I've seen some of the dumb shit some people have paid for. Someone paid $28,000 for a grilled cheese sandwich that vaguely resembled the Virgin Mary.

Get 3 groups or so of people SS keys and CS keys before Velious launches and sure, they could go do Klandicar or probably even Zlandicar (depending on how many people are paid for) before other guilds even have a chance to see Cobalt Scar. And then go park a Mage outside ToV and you're cothing the non-paid-for people into ToV and getting in there first too. These are advantages regardless of whether raid bosses are spawned for that week (and who knows what a raid boss is - will Lodizal be available? Vindicator?).

Besides the whole SS key / CS key bottleneck fiasco and cothing opportunities, getting tanks and clerics in quest armor is pretty big. For the most part that gear shits all over Kunark gear, so yes that will be significant to raiding for the first month.

Furthermore, when guilds kill raid bosses and other guilds don't kill raid bosses, the gear disparity between these guilds continues to grow. This is how EQ works. I'm not sure how you couldn't see that affecting the game only a month into the expansion. Especially when we're talking about Velious, where gear actually matters.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming that people will be able to get an entire raid force geared, keyed, and ready to go in 3-7 days. You're also assuming that guilds will have an entire raid force paid for early access, instead of a handful of people. While the may be possible, it's not likely. Even if it does happen, how does this affect the server 1 month into Velious?

I just crawled the Kickstarter site for Pantheon, and although I obviously can't see how much individual people pledged (and therefore if they will be in early access Velious or not), there are 176 people who have pledged with P99 in their name. Early access will be plenty crowded.

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by Dumesh Uhl'Belk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just crawled the Kickstarter site for Pantheon, and although I obviously can't see how much individual people pledged (and therefore if they will be in early access Velious or not), there are 176 people who have pledged with P99 in their name. Early access will be plenty crowded.

it's getting there but 176/15 different guilds = 11.7 per guild if it was an even amount for each guild. Still not enough to kill all the wurms in ToV that rarely drop quest pieces needed and to farm the gems for a full set for an entire raid. Also most of these will be 3 day early access probably.