Informal Petition Against Buying Into Early Velious

[drktmplr12]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd much rather this whole reward scheme for support was kept at the server-wide level (xp bonus & server-wide events) and no individual incentives existed

[Bazia]

ppl wont donate to help poor ppl get pixels

use ur noggins

[Kazi]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give it a rest. The people who don't like this "donation for a good cause" for ingame rewards have been going out of their way to calmly explain how they are surprised, disappointed, and concerned about the apparent change in staff policy + the effects it will have in the game. The only shitting on that is happening is the people like you bitching about "too immersed bro" at anyone who doesn't like this fundraiser.

Nah, I was talking about people saying there must be money being exchanged under the table. You can have a respectful conversation about where the line is and whether it's being crossed or not, as many have been doing so, without insinuating ulterior motives. Cheers for keeping the tone up.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only shitting on that is happening is the people like you bitching about "too immersed bro" at anyone who doesn't like this fundraiser.

the only people who are too immersed are the ones shelling out hundred of dollars to an unrelated kickstarter for extra p99 pixels

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd much rather this whole reward scheme for support was kept at the server-wide level (xp bonus & server-wide events) and no individual incentives existed, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

I mostly agree with this. I don't mind the guise and fungi stick raffle thing, that's cool, but the unfairness of the early access bothers me. That said, since it is available, and I was donating to Pantheon already when this was announced... I am going to take advantage of it, but I would prefer if Velious opened at the same time for everyone.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by NextGenesis88 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you pay attention to them you should know how good of guys they are and they are damn well not going to throw away what they have created and worked very hard for.

I want to say I recall Nilbog once basically saying that he doesn't care about the players, he just wants to recreate classic EQ for the sake of recreating classic EQ. Something about empty zones being fine as long as the zones were there, maybe? Can't recall exactly. I tried to find that post but wasn't having any luck... but assuming he did say something very similar, it's not a super huge deal if p99 as it is now gets "shut down" or something. I guess we are a big source of bug reporting and stuff, but we're a bigger source of PAIN IN THE ASS (you'll also see him talking about how he dislikes dealing with us as the players pretty frequently).

On an unrelated note, nilbog's posts are all awesome. I'd like to meet that guy IRL some day. For real. Go look at his post history and tell me he isn't the fucking man.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Kazi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, I was talking about people saying there must be money being exchanged under the table. You can have a respectful conversation about where the line is and whether it's being crossed or not, as many have been doing so, without insinuating ulterior motives. Cheers for keeping the tone up.

I blame Deru for making splorf tinfoil hat. NAW DAWG NAW NAW NAW

The fuck? Go talk like that with the red players or something [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Portasaurus]

Just my $0.02

I haven't really chimed in on this at all aside from pointing out Sirken's own sticky thread in EC Tunnel forums, which seems to go directly against what the staff is now doing. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=80095)

I don't have any intent to cause ill-will toward the staff or any other player here, but I think it's fair to highlight the hypocrisy of this whole thing. Money out of your pocket --regardless of what it's for, where it goes, or in what format -- which then directly benefits you in-game has been outlawed by the staff in all possible forms. That precedent has been set in stone and reinforced hundreds of times publicly for everyone to see on the forums.

Now, the staff is taking part in a real-life-money --> in-game rewards system. Hypocritical thing is hypocritical. Period. I don't see how you could actually factually argue this any differently.

Now, I LOVE LOVE LOVE p99 and what they've got going on here. Have donated before, and if the server still exists in a year, I'll probably donate again. Great people here and we all share in the same love of this excellent classic game. We're here because we love Everquest, and p99 gives us an amazing, fertile, unique chance to experience what brought us all together over a decade ago.

My biggest concern with all of this is that it could weaken the already somewhat thin-ice legal status of the server. And this is the best video game ever. And it's the last place we can really play it the way we remember!

There has just been so much effort by the staff to keep things here running legit without monetary influence, and in the past any real-money anything by players has been met with swift and harsh punishment. I imagine those anti-RMT efforts were mainly aimed at preventing people from profiting from SOE IP and therefore putting the server in real legal jeopardy.

So, why do it now? This just all seems like an unnecessarily risky move considering the effort gone into keeping the place clean.

I get that there are those that are very excited about Pantheon, but all of this seems to be putting p99 at unnecessary risk all in the name of something that does not and will not exist for a long time (if ever).

There is nothing wrong with asking people to pledge to this project, but it has been established countless times that there is something wrong with in-game rewards for real-money payments.

I also agree with Tecmos that there seem to be a lot of puppeteers coming into these forums in an apparent attempt to silence or otherwise alienate anybody who takes issue with this pledge drive. Sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you can FEEL the tension in the air whenever someone objects to this. Nobody should feel intimidated against raising these perfectly cromulent arguments.

That's actually one of the main reasons I haven't expressed these opinions so far: The whole "dont bite the hand that feeds" thing. I am given a great opportunity to play an old game that I love and I don't want to jeopardize that.

In conclusion: please don't ban me?

Thanks!

[Lifebar]

Signed.

Getting things in P99 for RL money should not happen. This is staff-sanctioned RMT through a third party intermediary.

[Dakidd4990]

Originally Posted by Portasaurus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just my $0.02

I haven't really chimed in on this at all aside from pointing out Sirken's own sticky thread in EC Tunnel forums, which seems to go directly against what the staff is now doing. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=80095)

I don't have any intent to cause ill-will toward the staff or any other player here, but I think it's fair to highlight the hypocrisy of this whole thing. Money out of your pocket --regardless of what it's for, where it goes, or in what format -- which then directly benefits you in-game has been outlawed by the staff in all possible forms. That precedent has been set in stone and reinforced hundreds of times publicly for everyone to see on the forums.

Now, the staff is taking part in a real-life-money --> in-game rewards system. Hypocritical thing is hypocritical. Period. I don't see how you could actually factually argue this any differently.

Now, I LOVE LOVE LOVE p99 and what they've got going on here. Have donated before, and if the server still exists in a year, I'll probably donate again. Great people here and we all share in the same love of this excellent classic game. We're here because we love Everquest, and p99 gives us an amazing, fertile, unique chance to experience what brought us all together over a decade ago.

My biggest concern with all of this is that it could weaken the already somewhat thin-ice legal status of the server. And this is the best video game ever. And it's the last place we can really play it the way we remember!

There has just been so much effort by the staff to keep things here running legit without monetary influence, and in the past any real-money anything by players has been met with swift and harsh punishment. I imagine those anti-RMT efforts were mainly aimed at preventing people from profiting from SOE IP and therefore putting the server in real legal jeopardy.

So, why do it now? This just all seems like an unnecessarily risky move considering the effort gone into keeping the place clean.

I get that there are those that are very excited about Pantheon, but all of this seems to be putting p99 at unnecessary risk all in the name of something that does not and will not exist for a long time (if ever).

There is nothing wrong with asking people to pledge to this project, but it has been established countless times that there is something wrong with in-game rewards for real-money payments.

I also agree with Tecmos that there seem to be a lot of puppeteers coming into these forums in an apparent attempt to silence or otherwise alienate anybody who takes issue with this pledge drive. Sure, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you can FEEL the tension in the air whenever someone objects to this. Nobody should feel intimidated against raising these perfectly cromulent arguments.

That's actually one of the main reasons I haven't expressed these opinions so far: The whole "dont bite the hand that feeds" thing. I am given a great opportunity to play an old game that I love and I don't want to jeopardize that.

In conclusion: please don't ban me?

Thanks!

I agree 100% with this post

10/10 /signed