Bards & AE in zones where players XP.

[reborn649]

Originally Posted by odiecat99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

confirmed moran

Let me clarify this once more for the guy who is clearly to slow to understand common sense...

If a bard is ruining your day and you can simply go 1-2 zones away to get the same XP, why not do it? It's no different then going into a dungeon and calling out for a CC and finding out everything is camped and telling your group "Hey guys lets go check out "X" dungeon instead cuz this one is camped to hell and back". If the bard truly is taking 90% of the zone, ya I fully agree he/she is playing the role of a d-bag. Petition him/her if you feel the need and move on for the time being.

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reborn is an idiot. First he says he's sick of posts like this where people complain about bards and then he drops this gem

which one is it?

Intentionally taking/reading things out of context, and I am the idiot. D+ for effort at trolling.


Done with this failed thread for the time being. Clearly its a split decision on bards swarming judging by the various opinions. Can't wait for the next thread in a couple days! Someone go swarm LOIO or OT asap!

[Skydash]

Go to a dungeon for exp... problem solved.

Bards cannot get groups because of the exp penalty, what do you expect them to do?

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just tag mobs off the bards train .

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just tag mobs off the bards train .

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just tag mobs off the bards train .

[Drummond]

Originally Posted by reborn649 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me clarify this once more for the guy who is clearly to slow to understand common sense...

If a bard is ruining your day and you can simply go 1-2 zones away to get the same XP, why not do it? It's no different then going into a dungeon and calling out for a CC and finding out everything is camped and telling your group "Hey guys lets go check out "X" dungeon instead cuz this one is camped to hell and back". If the bard truly is taking 90% of the zone, ya I fully agree he/she is playing the role of a d-bag. Petition him/her if you feel the need and move on for the time being.



Intentionally taking/reading things out of context, and I am the idiot. D+ for effort at trolling.


Done with this failed thread for the time being. Clearly its a split decision on bards swarming judging by the various opinions. Can't wait for the next thread in a couple days! Someone go swarm LOIO or OT asap!

Let me ask this slowly for the guy that cant understand common courtesy..

Does that level 50 Bard selling PL services really have the "right" to an entire zone that could support 20 level appropriate Players simply because its one if the zones Bards think of as theirs?

Its funny... Im betting that its not the hybrid penalty that keeps Bards from from finding groups but the resentment the community feels at how selfish some/many Bards choose to act.

I know for a fact that a Bard can train/swarm in a very small area.. small enough that 98% of these complaints would go away.

And as people have pointed out, Bards have the tools at their disposal to solo almost as effectively in other much less disruptive ways.. charm chaining etc.

Yes, you ARE capable if eating only 6 of the 24 free doughnuts that management put out.

There are classes that have it x100 worse than a Bard in trying to find XP.. right of convenience is not a valid argument in ignoring how your actions affect others around you.

There are Players that would kill every merchant and quest-giver in a zone for the XP if it was possible and make the exact same claim about their need to "XP" and how the next 1-2 zones over also have merchants, just go there.

[Drummond]

Originally Posted by Skydash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go to a dungeon for exp... problem solved.

Bards cannot get groups because of the exp penalty, what do you expect them to do?

And if Bards wanted the dungeons your argument would be " Go to an outdoor zone... problem solved."

The proper solution is that Bards think of themselves as part of a community and act appropriately.

That means doing anything you want when it has no effect on anyone and adjusting your actions accordingly when it does.

Common courtesy is not something that 99% of adults have made up to keep YOU from having fun.

[Ahldagor]

quit crying. most people here know what bards do, and they have as much right to a mob that you would have regardless of level or courtesy. if you're appealing to courtesy then you really are grasping hard. there are multiple and proper ways to deal with this which have been stated multiple times in the thread.

[Drummond]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

quit crying. most people here know what bards do, and they have as much right to a mob that you would have regardless of level or courtesy. if you're appealing to courtesy then you really are grasping hard. there are multiple and proper ways to deal with this which have been stated multiple times in the thread.

I dont think that people are crying over Bards having the same right to "a mob".. or 10 or 15.. but at some point yes, you've crossed over into being a douche territory. When you are lagging a zone.. you are probably already there.

"Quit crying" -the first retort of trolls and bullys.

The only thing thats "grasping hard" is thinking that adult arguments will open the minds of the closed-minded.

I am only arguing for the idea that even a Bard can be expected to change up his play style when in a zone with other people.. they have the tools for it.

[fastboy21]

the reason bards have a hard time finding grps is that most bards don't know how to play their toon in a grp. they think their role is sing mana song and /assist attack. if thats all they do they are not worth their class hybrid penalty.

in other words, the reason that some bards can't find grps is that many bards suck at actually playing.

of course, one of the reasons they suck at playing is that they spent the first 50 levels of their char being PLd or swarming. playing a bard in a group is a totally different game.

a good bard is constantly twisting, mezzing, charming, swapping instruments and swapping targets...oh, and you get to be puller and snarer much of the time as well. Many bards either don't know how or don't want to play that game.

if you are a good bard you will very easily be noticed and find plenty of good groups.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Drummond [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont think that people are crying over Bards having the same right to "a mob".. or 10 or 15.. but at some point yes, you've crossed over into being a douche territory. When you are lagging a zone.. you are probably already there.

"Quit crying" -the first retort of trolls and bullys.

The only thing thats "grasping hard" is thinking that adult arguments will open the minds of the closed-minded.

I am only arguing for the idea that even a Bard can be expected to change up his play style when in a zone with other people.. they have the tools for it.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299
that explains everything. this thread is some folks trying to put a lawnmower together without reading the instructions.

[Skydash]

Originally Posted by Drummond [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if Bards wanted the dungeons your argument would be " Go to an outdoor zone... problem solved."

The proper solution is that Bards think of themselves as part of a community and act appropriately.

That means doing anything you want when it has no effect on anyone and adjusting your actions accordingly when it does.

Common courtesy is not something that 99% of adults have made up to keep YOU from having fun.

I spent my time yesterday in OT killing stuff with a shaman friend. I still gained an entire level (43) with three+ bards kiting there.
At no point did I have zero mobs to kill. Respawns in OT are almost instant.
There are mobs that the bards don't even touch in OT, try the sarnak ruins.

Frontier Mountains, one zone away... tons of the same level mobs. NO BARDS IN SIGHT... Why don't people kill there? Lazy? Stupid? Not safe enough?