ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Dalven]

Purple wedding being episode 2 is well earlier than I expected, we are going to get a good chunk of early AFFC/ADWD towards the end of this series.

Looks awesome, can't wait.

[Mandalore93]

Rereading Dany AFFC and ADWD just reconfirms my dislike for her. She's an idealist, who takes the pragmatic option when it's not pragmatic and doesn't take the pragmatic options that would save her little city.

[Kazi]

Ed Stark's chart is my fave
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/9NWEM

[Keriath]

Ha!

Rough.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Kazi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ed Stark's chart is my fave
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/9NWEM

posting it for those to lazy to click links. and also i agree, its the best one sir, A+ find!

18 days til Season 4


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[Youlath]

Just found this, so i'm going to reply to all of your shit in bold. did not read thread.



Azor Azai = Jon? he'll be reborn by Melisandre, and as such able to battle with the Boltons.

It's pretty clear that, given the prologue of ADwD which had two main points; first being Jon's an amazing warg/skinchanger, and that warg/skinchangers have their spirit/soul transferred to their animal. Also, Mel's visions of "man, wolf, man again" -- pretty obvious what's going to happen here.

However, I don't believe that Azor Ahai = Jon. I believe Azor Ahai is simply an idea, or even multiple people. I doubt one person will fulfill the orle entirely.

Ramsays letter to Jon is clearly BS.

Yes -- and it's probably not even Ramsay who sent it.

How about those meat pies that Lord Manderly served to the Freys [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

savor every bite, my lords -- i know I shall

Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon Snow (which is why Ned must lie to even Robert when asked and go with the Wylla story) Jon born in 283AL, Lyanna dies in 283AL. however Ashera Dayne and Howland Reed must know the truth. Ashera told Ned to go to the Tower of Joy. and i believe Howland Reed was there as well. Ashera "kills" herself so that the baby can both go with Ned, and also, more importantly, Ashera will be said to be the mother so that if Jon has Targaryen features, they can be excused as Dayne features. But Jon looks a lot like Arya, and Arya looks a lot like Lyanna.... and of course.. "Promise me.. Ned.."

The stuff with Ashara doesn't seem that likely. I think, personally, that Ashara is actually dead. however, R+L=J is practically 100% certain at this point. The question is, does it even matter? Nobody will believe Jon a legitimate Targaryen heir even if the truth gets out, and the only one who knows the truth is Howland Reed, anyway.

Septa Lemore = (i think) Ashera Dayne. which would make a lot more sense if YoungGriff/Aegon was actually her kid, that was secretly swapped with Elia Martells baby (assuming her baby was stillborn)

I don't think so. There isn't enough evidence, and it's pretty clear that Eddard believes she is dead, which makes me inclined to believe that she is dead.

Lightbringer = the men of the nights watch (or Dawn?)

Probably not Dawn. Probably, along with Azor Ahai, multiple things will fit this criteria.

Strong Robert = Gregor with Robb Starks head

Definitely Gregor. Robb's head seems iffy and unnecessary.

jaqen h'ghar = the alchemist (kills pate) = Pate. but WHY does Jaqen H'Ghar want to be in oldtown? Sams Horn?

Yes, yes, yes -- there is a very tinfoil theory that the Faceless Men destroyed all of the dragons in the past. There is one copy of the book "The Death of Dragons" in Oldtown, which basically states how to kill dragons. Seems likely that they would want it if they have some thing against dragons.

i was told Tyrion could be a Targaryen, need more info please. (i dont think this is a thing)

Just a stupid theory that when the Mad King basically said he wished that the lord's rite (getting first dibs on that vajayjay on wedding night) was abolished at Tywin's wedding, that means he somehow banged her and sired Tyrion, and because people believe Tyrion is one of the "Three Heads of the Dragon". Stupid tinfoil, doesn't make sense at all.

Brienne screamed a word.. that word was clearly "sword". which means when she lured Jaime to see the hound, that was probably garbage, and Brienne is probably taking him to see Lady Stoneheart.

Widely accepted.

Hound is either the elder brother / grave digger, or, that person knows where the hound is hiding. he doesnt say the hound is dead, he says the hound is "at rest". he claims he buried the armor and used the helm to mark the grave. the helm is stolen and the wearer reeks havoc, which is then blamed on the hound.

Seems likely. "The Hound is dead. Sandor is at peace." I believe the person wearing his helm, by the way, was Rorge (or Biter?) -- one of the Brave Companions

Bloodraven = Brynden Rivers

Basically canon.

Bran will never leave that cave. ever. (Jojen needs a fucking blanket)

Not in his body.

dragon riders should be, Dany, Aegon, and Jon, as they would all be Targaryens

Aegon seems iffy. He may not even be a real Targ. Jon seems like an ideal candidate, but how/when would this happen? Dany might not even get her other two dragons back.

Rickon is probably in Skagos, we know Bran went worth, so it makes sense Rickon would go the other way.

Yep. Basically confirmed by Davos with the Cannibal Island stuff.

there MUST ALWAYS be a stark in winterfell. maybe ghosts in winterfell. ie: i think one of the ghosts talks to Theon.

ehh

Balon Greyjoy i think was murdered by a faceless man, who was probably hired by Euron when he was sailing out east (near Bravos, or Asshai) (maybe Euron also hired them to get him the ice horn so that Euron has both?)

Faceless Man is a pretty popular theory, given the vision of the man without a face at Pike. Euron hiring him also seems likely.

Varys. we know by what he says to Kevan that Varys is going to support Aegons claim. however, we do not know if Aegon is actually a Targaryen, or if the babe was swapped with Ashera Daynes babe or Illyrio's son.

I still don't think Ashara had a kid. Not much else to say on this.

and i know lots of theories exist that say Ashera is Jons mother. but imo, thats garbage, as i said earlier, R+L=Jon Snow.

yes

should stannis die, maybe Gendry becomes Lord of the Baratheon Family?

Baratheon name will probably be dead unless Mya Stone is legitimized. I don't see Gendry becoming more important to the Baratheons, though I do see him becoming more important.

Knight of the Laughing Tree? maybe Lyanna? or Authur Dayne? or Howland Reed? Meera was surprised Bran hadnt heard the story, so most likely it was a stark.

99% certain it was Lyanna

Where the fuck is Howland Reed?

***** be floatin

Coldhands = old night king

Coldhands is one of the most mysterious identities. It could be a number of people. It could even be some random. I doubt we'll ever get a clear answer on this.

and then that brings us to Baelish. personally, i wouldnt be surprised if Baelish wins the whole game. Robert Arryn will die soon. the only other Arryn (Harrold Hardyng) will be married to sansa to lock down Winterfell and the North as well as the Vale of Arryn and Eyrie. not sure how he plans to take the south, unless Jofferys wedding was not the only plans made by The queen of thorns and Baelish. maybe her family rules the south, while baelish rules the north.... at least until the dragons show up anyway. (nevermind, im convinced that Sansa will bring about the end of Baelish)

I have a feeling LF is getting set up to be roasted by a certain dragon, long before Sansa's got enough power to depose him.

[Kazi]

I always just kind of assumed Coldhands was the missing Stark uncle.

Also, is there a good recap website? Cuz damn.

[Youlath]

That is a common assumption, however one of the children of the forest states "He is very old."

From there, you assume that, because Children of the Forest are fucking old too, that it can't be Benjen Stark.


Most of what Sirken posted originally is probably on reddit.com/r/asoiaf -- all of the tinfoil theories can be found there

otherwise check the ASOIAF wiki

[Kazi]

Good point on Benjen not being thousands of years old. Also, I mean Cliff's Notes for the books, not theories. Something to just read that highlights all the important stuff from each chapter, etc.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Youlath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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u had me at "***** be floatin"

where do u stand on Dany and Vic making a deal, gets her the ships to go west, gives him a chance to maybe usurp Euron.

i'm also thinking at some point Dany will die in some fashion that sacrifices herself to save everybody else.

Rolland Storm, thoughts?