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Old 04-18-2014, 04:13 AM
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Except for Iksar, why wouldn't a ogre/troll shaman go to Guk instead of Kurns? Same ZEM, tons of mobs, and your close to a town you can use for banking/merchants.
There are several reasons why Guk is inferior.

1. Frogloks run, Fast.
2. Pathing in dungeons will get you killed if you chase.
3. Casters will heal through walls.
4. Close spawns almost impossible to single pull/solo.
5. Impossible CR when you do inevitably die, without invis (level 29).

Those 5 reasons outweigh atleast to me the benefits of being close to bank/vendors. Money is so petty at low levels. All you need is enough for food/water and spells. If you follow the guide, which is step for step what I did, you will have everything you need. I literally got no gifts or help from anyone up until I did my epic at level 54, which I then used to solo the rest of the way to 60. Only group XP I received was from repaying folks for help with epic by camping their pieces as well.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:53 AM
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1. Frogloks run, Fast.(not anymore with change to social agro,(unless area is clear.)
2. Pathing in dungeons will get you killed if you chase.(see point 1.)
3. Casters will heal through walls.(good placement solves this.)
4. Close spawns almost impossible to single pull/solo.(true.)
5. Impossible CR when you do inevitably die, without invis (level 29).(This is the biggie.Though a few ring of shadows will do the trick.)

I like both kurns and guk,but i usually stay on the continent i start on lazy i know.
Do all kunark mobs have more hp never really tested between kurns and guk?
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Old 04-18-2014, 04:01 PM
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I checked, level 11 Greater Skeleton has the exact same stats as a level 11 froglok in Guk.

Kurns is just way more noobie friendly and spacious. Plus it has really nice loot in the form of the Iksar Berserker Club. So damn awesome.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:57 PM
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Do all kunark mobs have more hp never really tested between kurns and guk?
Not according to the wiki, when I was looking into leveling in EK vs. OT I saw that gorge hounds and dark stalkers have roughly same hp as cats/sarnak/cacti/chickens.. so probably just higher level merbs.
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Old 04-20-2014, 05:15 AM
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I did Misty guards on live as a Necromancer and I do not remember Ella Foodcrafter buffing the guards.

I'd like to bug report it but I cannot find any evidence to the contrary. I pulled two guards earlier and they both outran my sow.

She gives them a nasty damage shield too and I'm pretty sure regen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I never did them on live though
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Old 04-20-2014, 06:12 AM
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Just ranting here: 22+ golem kills, NO iksar broodlings spawned. My luck is terribad.
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Old 04-20-2014, 05:30 PM
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She gives them a nasty damage shield too and I'm pretty sure regen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I never did them on live though
Yeah it is not classic.

She did not assist on live nor did she buff them. They're not worth the trouble here. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:43 AM
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Yeah, I've been killing frogs on my shaman, they never run at low HP. I've only got to lvl 16 so far though so I'm still pretty close to the entrance.
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:09 AM
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As an iksar. I totally skipped banded and chilled in karnors castle for a day and got a full set of jarsath scare armor (minus arms) Good shammy stats ultra light and better ac.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:58 AM
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Just ranting here: 22+ golem kills, NO iksar broodlings spawned. My luck is terribad.
Ouch! Make sure you have a tracker or 2 ready, the broodlings will de-spawn quickly if not killed. You should have 1 or 2 people ready when Golem @10% in and around the area to watch for broodling spawn. They don't always spawn but 22+ and no broodlings indicates your missing the spawns.

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As an iksar. I totally skipped banded and chilled in karnors castle for a day and got a full set of jarsath scare armor (minus arms) Good shammy stats ultra light and better ac.
This Jarsath is awesome stuff, if only Large race could use. Great for Barb or Iksar though, I definitely recommend.

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Yeah, I've been killing frogs on my shaman, they never run at low HP. I've only got to lvl 16 so far though so I'm still pretty close to the entrance.

The recent changes to social agro may have reduced the chance of Forgloks fleeing due to proximity of mobs behind walls or nearby. I have been away from game for a couple months and guide was written in Nov of 2013, before these changes were made.

If I find time I will make a Troll Shaman newb and maybe test the viability of Guk from 10-19+, but I don't know when that will be. If someone wants to write-up a paragraph guide for Guk, for that level range, I will add it to my guide.

At this time, even if social agro changes have effected the chance of runners, it still doesn't alleviate the concerns I mentioned above. If room is clear and mob does run you will get adds, casters still heal through walls, mobs are still spaced close together meaning very difficult to single pull, and CR is still a major concern without assistance or invis (level 29).

Please leave your feedback on this or any other topic relating to this guide. I appreciate the discussion and hopefully we can help some people along the way.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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