AC issues are starting to be really problematic.

[Splorf22]

The Velious mobs already have really high AC, to the point that Shiftin is complaining. Monks are doing 50-60 dps and Rogues 70. Plus we have so many shamans, each with two slots for Avatar, that most melee will probably have it even pre-sleepers anyway.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Velious mobs already have really high AC, to the point that Shiftin is complaining. Monks are doing 50-60 dps and Rogues 70. Plus we have so many shamans, each with two slots for Avatar, that most melee will probably have it even pre-sleepers anyway.

Two slots for Avatar?

Unless you have 20 shamans on your raid it is not even remotely possible to Avatar your whole melee force.

Avatar's duration and recast time does not allow for it.

Primal's should be a requirement to North Temple of Veeshan, if it is not something is wrong.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two slots for Avatar?

Primal Avatar + Avatar, obviously. Everyone and their brother plays shaman on this server anyway. So worst case all of your rogues have Avatar.

Originally Posted by Treats

Primal's should be a requirement to North Temple of Veeshan, if it is not something is wrong.

Just crazy imo. I mean how much do you expect Avatar to increase damage for PCs that are already strength capped? 20%? 30%? 50%?

edit: just to be clear, I don't think PCs are doing too little damage. Sure there is always some rogue clown in VP who does 125-150 dps, but those are the guys that a) had avatar b) hit disc and c) got lucky with backstab. The last two are obviously not sustainable for a 5 minute fight. I guess that without avatar/disc a rogue would average 85ish in VP, maybe even less.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Primal Avatar + Avatar, obviously. Everyone and their brother plays shaman on this server anyway. So worst case all of your rogues have Avatar.

I don't remember them stacking and can't seem to find anything supporting them stacking.

AFAIK: The purpose of primal avatar was to remove the emerald cost. If you got primal weapons, casted avatar/primal avatar don't serve much of a purpose on PCs until you start pushing beyond 150 worn attack - I don't believe that is possible until Luclin (casted avatar doesn't count toward the atk cap, procced avatar does).