Evasive Disc vs. Defensive Disc

[JayN]

Always use evasive until its nerfed into 7 secs of dodge; it its current form Evasive is hugely better then defensive

[koros]

Uh... how on earth can you say that with the clear information we presented?

[Asap]

Originally Posted by Buriedpast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quotes like this remind me that 95% of people on P1999 are terrible at EQ. Jesus do you pay any attention what so ever to what happens to you, as your primary role as a warrior?

Are you high? He came here asking for help, obviously he doesn't know much about the disciplines. This isn't RnF, don't be such a dick.

[captnamazing]

Originally Posted by Buriedpast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quotes like this remind me that 95% of people on P1999 are terrible at EQ. Jesus do you pay any attention what so ever to what happens to you, as your primary role as a warrior?.

lol this guy.


What is the difference between DB and DI?

[koros]

Originally Posted by captnamazing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol this guy.


What is the difference between DB and DI?

Damage bonus gets added to every successful hit by a mob. Damage interval is a 1-20 interval a mob can hit for.

Let's take avatar of war, max hit 1154, damage bonus of 254, damage interval of 90.

254 + (90 * 20) = 1154 max hit

254 + (90 * 1) = 344 min hit*

it can also do every iteration of 254 + (90 * (1-20)) in between

*Pretty sure a 1 is the lowest DI you can get, but it's been a while.

[koros]

So to break it down simply... a mob with a 500 damage bonus, and a 1 damage interval could hit for between 501 and 520. Not much benefit to lowering the damage interval by half (which defensive does), all it changes is max hit is 510. Win evasive.

On the other hand, take a mob that has a damage bonus of 1 and a damage interval of 500. Min hit 501, Max hit 10,001. Defensive divides damage interval by 2. So mob can hit 501 to 5001. BIG difference, win defensive.

edit: I forget how much of a % evasive increases your avoidance, but it was exactly calculated and modeled. The results posted are accurate.

[captnamazing]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to break it down simply... a mob with a 500 damage bonus, and a 1 damage interval could hit for between 501 and 520. Not much benefit to lowering the damage interval by half (which defensive does), all it changes is max hit is 510. Win evasive.

On the other hand, take a mob that has a damage bonus of 1 and a damage interval of 500. Min hit 501, Max hit 10,001. Defensive divides damage interval by 2. So mob can hit 501 to 5001. BIG difference, win defensive.

edit: I forget how much of a % evasive increases your avoidance, but it was exactly calculated and modeled. The results posted are accurate.

Great explanation, thank you!

[nilbog]

Changed all these values except the following, because I had questions:

Cazic Thule is listed at maxdmg 600, which is the revamped model.
elder shard wurm? wtf is this. wyvern(sp*)?

[captnamazing]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Changed all these values except the following, because I had questions:

Cazic Thule is listed at maxdmg 600, which is the revamped model.
elder shard wurm? wtf is this. wyvern(sp*)?

velious b-ro

[koros]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Evasive was hardly ever used in Velious, like never.

That list was made AFTER Luclin and Planes of Power.

There were no Alternate Abilities in Velious.

Evasive on a Velious boss got your ass handed to you.

Way after the fact, but for certain mobs evasive was still better in Velious. Dagarn for example, even when you consider (rare) damage spikes.